Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2003/10/30

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Subject: Re: [Leica] CV nokton contrast and bokeh
From: "Rafael Alday" <rafaelalday@yahoo.es>
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 22:04:54 +0100
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Thank you Mark for your comments (more value comming from you).
I am not an expert about scanning and about almost anything.
I scanned the film with an Epson Perfection  2400 flat bed scanner using
"soft mask". Then I only used the filter "find borders". Nothing more.
Using the sharpening filter the picture look like this:
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1868885&size=lg

TO ME, uglier than the previous one. I developed this Tri-X with Rodinal (my
preference is ID 11 or D76) but I had no time to prepare the developer so I
used Rodinal. With this combo, if I use the sharpening filter the picture
will have MUCH MUCH GRAIN looking like oversharpened.

My doubt about DR images is just for readings. This lens is famous for being
VERY sharp, EXCELLENT gray tones, but a litle soft (specially in corners)
Am I right?
Thank you,
Rafael

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Rabiner" <mark@rabinergroup.com>
To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Leica] CV nokton contrast and bokeh


> Rafael Alday wrote:
> >
> > I have been using Nokton for a year and I have to say that this lens
> > produces in me a dual feeling.
> > I have not done any wonderful theoretical and optic test but i would
want to
> > tell my experiences.
> > Sometimes (probably and middle apertures) the pictures are sharp and
> > contrasted but in other conditions the lens is a litlle bit soft.
> > This picture is an example:
> > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1868446&size=lg
> >
> > Low contrast (to me), good sharpness (to me) and nice bokeh (to me).
Gray
> > tones are nice (to me).
> >
> > Is it comparable to DR summicron pictures. Excuse my ignorance.
> >
> > Any opinions will be wellcome,
> > Rafael
> >
> > --
>
> Wow Rafael! that's inner beauty being expressed on the outside!
>
> But we sure don't know how much you sharpened it after the scan!
> And that has made all the difference. With these things.
> So it's hard to judge.
>
>
> Having just read Erwins thing on it again it reads to me like a "pan."
> Which is Broadway language for "real bad review." I think he said wide
> open it's the softest lens he's seen in ten years! It gets a little
> better after that but not much!
>
> But a comparison to the DR makes it sound not so bad after all!
>
> The image here looks great despite mushroomy grain. But this vehicle is
> the lowest of all common denominators. A 4x6 snapshot would be how many
> times more demanding? My guess is 80. Who's good at math and knows those
numbers?
>
> Mark Rabiner
>
> Portland, Oregon USA
> http://www.rabinergroup.com
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