Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2003/07/20

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Subject: Re: [Leica] was @#$@#$#@ foreigners..FU to all who agree with this crap
From: "Nelson Chan" <cchan@info.com.ph>
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 21:05:59 +0800
References: <BB402FD7.1260C%simon@sclamb.com>

Simon,

Lange and Sohne is a great watch.  If I win the lottery, I would probably
buy one.  But for the same amount of money, I would go for the Patek.
Although the big date of Lange One looks irresistable.  Well, thats only me.

Nelson

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Simon Lamb" <simon@sclamb.com>
To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2003 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Leica] was @#$@#$#@ foreigners..FU to all who agree with this
crap


> Greg
>
> Lange und Sohne are in the German part, make 100% their own parts,
movements
> and watches and are, IMHO, up there with Patek in quality.
>
> Simon
>
> On 19/7/03 4:43 am, "Greg J. Lorenzo" <gregj.lorenzo@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> > Hi Nelson,
> >
> > Actually for some models they once again do. They came out with a
> > limited series of larger wrist watches (2000 Series) which use their
> > Pellaton Caliber 5000 which was designed to be very similar to both
> > their famous Caliber 89 and the finest automatic movement ever made the
> > IWC Caliber 8541.
> >
> > See this URL if you're interested:
> >
http://www.timezone.com/ticle.aspx?id=psttime&articleId=psttime631687631288297
> > 847
> >
> >
> > IWC (International Watch Company) has been around since 1868 and I
> > believe they are the only fine Swiss Watchmaker in the German part of
> > Switzerland ( at Schaffhausen). The also have the singular honor of
> > being the only Swiss manufacturing facility to have been bombed by the
> > 8th US Airforce during W.W.II. IWC is the only Swiss Watchmaker to run
> > an in-house watchmakers school. Many of today's finest craftsmen trained
> > at IWC. Lange and Sohn is a sister company of IWC and many of their
> > watchmakers started out at IWC.
> >
> > BTW, IWC invented the automatic movement (Albert Pellaton) during the
> > early 1950's and Hillary wore an IWC Automatic Watch (an Ingenieur I
> > believe) when he climbed Mt. Everest.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Greg
> >
> >
> >
> > Nelson Chan wrote:
> >
> >> Jerry,
> >>
> >> IWC do not make their own movement. I know only 2 manufacturer that
makes
> >> their watches 100%, Patek and AP.
> >>
> >> Nelson
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Jerry Lehrer" <jerryleh@pacbell.net>
> >> To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>; "Don Williams"
> >> <dwilli10@san.rr.com>
> >> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 8:16 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Leica] was @#$@#$#@ foreigners..FU to all who agree with
this
> >> crap
> >>
> >>
> >>> Jean-Michel
> >>>
> >>> Yes I know that a lot of the "name" swiss watches are just
> >>> "assemblages" of components, but I know there must be some
> >>> that are made 100% in house.  IWC comes to mind, though I
> >>> know there must be more.
> >>>
> >>> Jerry
> >>>
> >>> Jean-Michel Tomaschett wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> What is a "real" mechanical watch?
> >>>> Do you think the majority of them are "really" hand-made?
> >>>>
> >>>> A batteryless wristwatch made in Switzerland does not automatically
mean
> >>>>
> >> it
> >>
> >>>> is handmade.
> >>>> Most of the Swiss watch companies are not independent.
> >>>> Please excuse my English, I live in watch-country.
> >>>>
> >>>> Jean-Michel
> >>>>
>
>
>
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