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Subject: Re: [Leica] Full circle with Nikons
From: Jim Hemenway <Jim@hemenway.com>
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 10:56:47 -0400
References: <BB349C0E.98A2%eric@jphotog.com> <3F0F913C.CE13CBE9@rabinergroup.com>

Mark:

Have you ever used the APO-Macro 2.8/100 R lens?

I switched from Nikon because of that lens and the 60mm.

I don't give a Philadelphia Flying F*** for Canon or Nikon VR/AF and
their little motors in my macro shooting, It's the GLASS!

Wash out your mouth! :)
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Jim - http://www.hemenway.com



Mark Rabiner wrote:
> 
> Eric Welch wrote:
> >
> > on 07/11/03 6:42 AM, Mark Rabiner at mark@rabinergroup.com wrote:
> >
> > > Then Canon got anti shake
> > > then Nikon stopped shaking too.
> > >
> > > Canon had come out with excellent shift lenses.
> > > Nikon's are pretty good. I know a guy who shoots Nikon but had a Canon
> > > body with a shift lens on it.
> >
> > But Mark, Canon's macro, IS and shift lenses are often better and more
> > comprehensive than Nikon's lenses. Their VR and internal focus motors pale
> > in comparison to the number of lenses Canon has put the technology in. Nikon
> > has been playing catch-up for way too long. The F5 being the sole exception.
> >
> > Eric Welch
> > Carlsbad, CA
> > http://www.jphotog.com
> 
> I've never heard Canons macro system being better than Nikon! I never
> head of Canon's macro reputation at all! I do hear everywhere the
> awesome reputation of the Nikon 60, 105 and 200 as well as there 85
> shift macro and the innovative 70-180mm f/4.5-5/6D AF ED Micro Zoom
> Nikkor. And I'm not on the Nikon list I'm talking about my collective
> hippocampus? (woof)  Are the Canon VR lenses a little better than Nikon?
> Nikon's came out THIS YEAR. I think they'll keep working on it. Sure
> Canon undoubtedly has a key patent but Nikon always finds a way.
> It was also only in the last 12 months than Nikon started having the
> internal focussing silent wave leones not be only on select high price
> pro lenses but on consumer based lenses as well. In other words all of
> them. These are often the G lenses without the aperture ring. A good
> reason to move to Canon! (no aperture rings from day one) Dragging on
> the higher technologies reminds us of who? if you don't have upside down
> typeface your's will be right side up: (ROLLEI) (LEICA)!
> Nikon come into AF a year late and with the motors not in the lenses.
> Although Nikon seems to be always playing a game of catch up with Canon
> it does do it and with pickles and mustard to spare.
> And occasionally Nikon actually thinks of something BEFORE Canon or
> anybody does.
> 
> My friend last week was shooting real estate for a group that was paying
> by the house. All week. He stared out with the 28 shift lens but they
> didn't need it. It could all be fixed in Photoshop if needed anyway (I'm
> quite good at doing that by the way).
> So he shot the rest of the week with the ubiquitous 17-35mm f/2.8D ED-IF
> AF-S Zoom-Nikkor.
> Architectural work with a zoom not that's something But then again it's
> being done in 35mm format so who knows?
> 
> I'm not overly thrilled the 60mm f/2.8D AF Micro-Nikkor I got last week
> not being AF-S ED-IF. And how quaint of them to leave the aperture ring
> on! I guess i can use this on my FM or FE-2 then. Cameras made twenty to
> twenty fives years ago. It sounds like there is a little plastic robot
> in there but ten years ago they sounded like metal munching plastic
> robots whose batteries were about to go.
> 
> "The 600 series had rubber skin. We spotted them easy. But these are
> new. They look human. Sweat, bad breath, everything. Very hard to spot.
> I had to wait till he moved on you before I could zero him."  Terminator 1
> 
> During the reign of the Nikon F4 Canon became perceived as
> innovationally ahead of Nikon with it's white lenses and it's ads on TV
> in which high profile types of photographers (news, sports) seen with
> those white lenses. Nikon's image languished along with its slow
> motorless lenes.
> But you could rent "blow up" and watch the guy with his black painted
> Nikons become the Bach, Shakespeare and/or Michael Jordan of modern
> (1969) cool.
> It proved remarkably easy to overcome Nikons collected reputation as the
> top SLR.
> The Die hard Nikon people didn't die very hard. The just rolled over,
> coughed and spit out some Canon parts.
> 
> They herded together and flung themselves off a nice soft cliff. As my
> pappy used to tell me it's not the fall the kills you.
> But using a Canon F1 in the 80's was like driving a Saab. You kind of
> had to wear a different color scheme then the Add people and Oh maybe
> use a cigarette holder or other uncelebrated accoutrements. Various
> erratic hats and slogans which were impossible to "get"..
> You have an image of one that does not follow the crowd. But lives under
> the sidewalk.
> 
> I got that feeling now shooting both Leicas and Nikons. Like I've blazed
> my own trial.
> Which is where they got the name "trailblazers" from i guess.
> Except isn't basketball team all about teamwork? I guess the name is appropriate.
> I'd think a Golfer could blaze their own trial. No forget that one. How
> silly of me. You have to stay on the COURSE.
> Or you find yourself in the ROUGH to the JUNGLE. From the FRINGE to the FROGHAIR.
> 
> Not so with shooting digital.
> 
> Mark Rabiner
> Portland, Oregon USA
> http://www.rabinergroup.com
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