Re: [Leica] Some may find this of interest

[John Collier <jbcollier@shaw.ca>]

Hi  Kim,

My statement was to why the police were holding Bob without bail. The 
post I was commenting on implied it was for simply having sex which 
does not seem to be the whole of the matter. As to Bob's innocence, 
guilt, personality or sexual peccadilloes, I have no opinion whatsoever 
and not much more interest. I do not care for his photography but that 
is hardly a hanging matter.

John Collier

On Saturday, June 14, 2003, at 12:31 PM, Teresa299@aol.com wrote:

>
> In a message dated 6/14/03 8:26:45 AM, jbcollier@shaw.ca writes:
>
> << The article stated that he is accused of doing those acts while the
> victim was unconscious; in other words, aggravated assault and sexual
> contact without consent (i.e.: rape). There is also the inference that
> Bob may have supplied the drugs in question which would at least add
> the charge of manslaughter; perhaps even second degree murder depending
> any motive.
>
> John Collier
>>>
>
>
>
> You know what, papers love scandal.  Sells more papers.
>
> Who knows what the real story is here.  Bob Shell perv freak?  Marion
> Franklin victim of Bob's evil ways?   Maybe Bob Shell was trying to 
> help someone who
> was addicted to drugs and rather than send her to a detox center he 
> enabled
> her, took photos of her, and she simply died at his studio.  Maybe Bob 
> was
> mainly a friend but fell helplessly in love with someone half his age 
> (lots of
> older men do this as they approach their male menopause).   Maybe the 
> drugs were
> forcefully administered to Marion, maybe they were into kinky sex/edge 
> play
> where one party consentually enters into the realm of semi or quasi
> consciousness, that is consentual but dangerous nevertheless.  Maybe 
> her being
> incapacitated meant that she was into bondage and that she was tied up 
> and not
> unconscious.   Who knows?
>
>
> I do know that when a photographer goes from shooting simply flowers 
> and
> snapshots of clothed family you can get into the realm of a world of 
> shit.
> Photographers who shoot street protests can get clubbed, their leica's 
> actually
> bruised.  Photographers who shoots a verboten subject can get arrested,
> questioned, perhaps put on some secret governmental patriot act III 
> list of possible
> threat to the US.   Photographers who shoot unclothed subjects can 
> depending on
> where they live and what they shoot be accused or at least swiped with 
> the
> veneer of pornography.    Just look at what happened to Sally Mann and 
> her photos
> of children, naked children.  Sally Mann, pornographer?
>
> I don't presume to know what happened in this case.  I don't know the
> motivations of the local police, or whether a prosecutor is up for 
> re-election or
> looking for higher office, or whether Bob is really a piece of pond 
> scum or a
> perpetrator of bad judgement by taking drugs and having sex with 19 
> year old
> girl/women who take drugs as well.  In any case, involving a 
> photographer who
> shoots nudes, I always wait to hear all sides of the story.  Why?  
> Because it's
> such a titilating subject and in our sexually repressive society, 
> facts can
> often get lost in the way of scandal.
>
> What is obvious is that a 19 year young women is dead.  And that is a
> tragedy.  Of course lots of 19 year old women died in the world the 
> last few days,
> most that we'll never hear about because they died in far away places 
> and died
> of starvation, war, as battered wives or whatnot.  They all have died 
> too young
> and I hope whoever was responsible in all their cases, get a taste of 
> justice
> in the end.

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