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Subject: Re: [Leica] Vignetting of Summicron M 2/28mm ASPH
From: "Seth Rosner" <sethrosner@direcway.com>
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 21:10:26 -0400
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Thank you Henning. Case closed on this topic.
Or should be.    Seth         LaK 9

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From: "Henning Wulff" <henningw@archiphoto.com>
To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 7:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Leica] Vignetting of Summicron M 2/28mm ASPH


> At 7:16 PM -0400 5/17/03, Don Dory wrote:
> >Phong,
> >I was implying that if an element was moved out of it's designated
location
> >+/-0.003 then bad things happen to the light.  The designs coming out of
> >Solms are fabulous, but there are continuing occasional tales of really
bad
> >results, sometimes flare, sometimes severe vignetting, sometimes not as
> >crisp as supposed to be.  The only logical conclusions would be either an
> >element out of spec or an element out of place.
> >
> >The +/- comes from one of Erwins bulletins when he was talking about the
new
> >retro 50 and how it conforms to muck tighter specs than the other 50
> >Summicrons he has tested recently.
> >
> >Thanks for reading.
> >
> >Don
> >dorysrus@mindspring.com
>
> As I have stated numerous times, vignetting by the lens is not a QC
> issue, but is an intrinsic part of the lens design and construction.
> +/-0.003 anything except meters or leagues will have no effect.
> Decentering, which I assume you refer to, has serious effects on a
> number of aberrations but not vignetting. Besides, centering has
> generally been one of the strong suites of Leica, and they continue
> to be at the forefront in this regard. The QC problems relating to
> missed edge blacking and other things has nothing to do with this.
>
> As someone else has pointed out, if Y.Li has consistently greater
> light falloff on one side of the frame than the other, he has a
> shutter, not a lens problem.
>
> If the images are sharp, and from what Y.Li has written this seems to
> be the case, decentering is not an issue. The issue is that he, and
> seemingly others on this list do not understand what parameters are
> affected by the intrinsic optical designs that Leica employs for
> their wideangles, namely standard or very slightly retrofocus
> construction versus the exteme retrofocus construction used by
> designers of SLR lenses. Different people have different expectations
> of a lens, and will put up with or vilify a lens for different
> properties. I hate distortion; Y. Li seems to hate any vignetting. I
> can easily fix vignetting in printing or with a center filter, but
> cannot reasonably fix distortion, so my criteria are plain.
>
> Again, read my previous posts on this topic.
>
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