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Subject: Re: [Leica] Re: Leica MP and Leicavit M
From: "animal" <s.jessurun95@chello.nl>
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:09:56 +0100
References: <83e11b327a4b4f968c62810aa3c4ae6d.leica-user@ispwest.com>

Where can one view the ICP , is it on the net?
simon
amsterdam
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Subject: [Leica] Re: Leica MP and Leicavit M


> -
> >
> > Hello Ruddy just a few passing problems and thoughts.
>
> !.  Well
> Just like a Mark from Oregon USA to unfold the negatives in my piece and
to use it as the
> focal point for discussion...I wonder why you did not spend the fifteen
minutes to say why
> there is no need to have deep political discussions, however we will allow
conversations
> about what a blind photographer can shoot and what he cannot hear if he is
also
> deaf.....(hypocricy Mark.
>
> Just for you...
> My name is Radcliffe Leopold Roye.
> I was born in  Montego bay Jamaica...migrated to this wonderful country of
yours where
> we discuss racism on the LUG but it is not viewed as political
diatribe...it is something we
> discuss using slang words like lens cap and UV.  I do not read the LUG to
discover a new
> name..I am hear to delve into this world of camera and more importantly
the reason
> people use them.  Is it because they are better than any other
equipment..is it becuase the
> lens are sharper..whatever it is..the cameras do not speak..it is the
users that i am
> interested in and if you are going to tell me that well I spend close to
$2000 for a camera,
> about the same for each lens but I am not interested in anything but the
machine and what
> it produces then....wow.
>
> I believe that when i bought my first R6.2..it was because Salgado used
it.  I have matured
> since that initial feeling..to something like what young men might feel
when they watch the
> early James Bond flicks....."I wish i was an espionage
agent"(maybe)......In a way I do not
> think we ever outgrow this feeling. It is this feeling that gives me a
kind of surreal, fantastic,
> confidence that is associated with the mythodology of using a leica.  In
other words  I
> escape to another world when I pick up my camera.
> >I wonder if it is an American trait to always stereo-type people you do
not know.  I wonder
> about this thing that you seem to do so well...accentuate the negative.
Couldn't you have
> seen me as someone who was new to this and was trying to feel my way
round,
> meanwhile trying to let you-all know what I was interested in talking
about.
> > And I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and not render any
opinions about
> the way you reason...but I really do not think I have to spoon feed an
adult and say
> specifically that "it is the camera that will be used to lay down your
legacy,"
> I really hope that when all is said and done we do make images that
transcend the
> term,"pretty picture"  I hope that in all the thousands of film we
develop..couple picture
> moved mountains or was a blessing to another human being..if that is
political idealism
> then..man I am in the wrong profession.
>
> > This is an equipment list. Leica User Group.  It's about using a certain
> > brand camera, Leica's.
> > Its not about "topics that might change the way people live, think, eat,
> > listen to the news, discuss politics, treat or(sic) fellowman, care for
> > our environment." It just not. It's about lens caps and UV filters.
> > We're Geeks you see...
> Well can Geeks think.....?
> >
> >
> > 3. Get a name. Cool it with the righteously high ideas and political
> > agenda for the lug and I wish you a merry Lugmas.
> Now that you know my name..and my "righteous high ldeas and political
agenda, tell me
> what is wrong with bonding with photographers whose purpose in lifting
their cameras..is
> to lift up another human spirit......tell me why is that considered high
ideas..and by the way
> I was  hypothesising and was not really hoping that some Geek would shine
a light on
> them as  specifics   I just wanted to know if there were people who wanted
to change the
> world with their images.
> >
> > 4. We know your political and philosophic leanings but not a clue as to
> > which camera, lens and UV filters you use and what you use them FOR!
> > Putting some picture up in the web will give you a lot more leeway.
> > I'm here on the LUG to talk about cameras. And photography especially
> > when it involves Leica cameras.
> > IF i wanted to talk politics. I'd join that list. And pepper them with
> > UV filter posts yea that's the ticket.
>
> And finally:
> I use R8s one R6.2 (sold the other)..2 M6s..an M7(will purchase an MP
> I use 21APO, 28, 35, 50, 90, for M and a 19mm and a 35f1.4
> I shoot mostly for magazines, newspapers and wires..I do not use
filters..well UVs
> and I have a slide show coming up at the ICP on April 4 for those who are
interested.
> >
>  Ruddy
>
>
>
> > Mark (the muncher) Rabiner
> > Portland, Oregon USA
> > http://www.rabinergroup.com
> > mark@rabinergroup.com
> > Fax: 503-221-0308
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