Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2003/02/27
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Kit Well if your minimum speed is 300 feet a second that is not true. And i would think that with an open Thorax you are in a hurry to. Speed is life. simon - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kit McChesney | acmefoto" <kitmc@acmefoto.com> To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 6:59 PM Subject: RE: [Leica] OR photography and what can really happen > Simon-- > > Well, I think that docs in the OR are under tremendous pressure to perform > quickly (we can debate why all day long, but insurance companies probably > have something to do with it given their push to drive down medical > expenses) and to get people out of the hospital as fast as possible. There > were reports that they had closed incisions leaving surgical instruments, > other surgical equipment, waste from the surgery itself (materials used in > the process) and other debris. Patients discovered that they had "stuff" > inside their bodies later, after developing serious infections. The result > of many preventable mistakes is often death. And then there are the cases > where the wrong part of the body was subject to operation, etc, not to > mention the amputation of the "wrong" limb. Ouch. > > I think the best procedure for minimizing mistakes is to slow down. Like > anything else. Slower is better. Haste makes waste. > > Kit > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On Behalf Of animal > Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 10:24 AM > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > Subject: Re: [Leica] OR photography and what can really happen > > > I,d suspect that there are other reasons for speed. > There might be a limit how long surgery can last anyway. > Everybody makes mistakes constantly. > Even though results of mistakes vary. > You can not blame people,s poor design. > You just have to device procedures to minimize mistakes. > It,s a very interesting complex subject human factors. > The highest number of accidents occur in the home when people make tea. > When distracted it,s very easy to boil two times the amount of water and at > the second to an allready full teapot which can result in horrible burns for > kids below the counter. > While in the past research focused on aviation and the nuclear industries > research has shown the complexity and is now focusing on the more common > household accidents. > simon > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kit McChesney | acmefoto" <kitmc@acmefoto.com> > To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us> > Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 5:59 PM > Subject: RE: [Leica] OR photography and what can really happen > > > > Edward-- > > > > There was a recent report on NPR about how many times surgeons left > > instruments and other debris INSIDE the patient prior to closing the > > incisions. It was horrifying. Apparently they are under so much pressure > to > > perform quickly that they are making horrible mistakes. I'm also thinking > of > > the transplant mistake last week. It probably will be tricky to obtain > > permission to photograph in hospitals, but if you prepare the groundwork > > sufficiently in advance, make friends with the docs you want to work > with, > > really take the time to make yourself a known quantity to them, and to > make > > it clear that you aren't there to show their mistakes, but to show the > human > > side of the subject, you may have some luck. > > > > You're a veterinarian, yes? So you know how doctors feel already. Gosh, > I'd > > love to follow you around and document what you do! > > > > Kit > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > > [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On Behalf Of Edward > > Caliguri > > Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 9:23 AM > > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > > Subject: [Leica] OR photography and what can really happen > > > > > > Thanks Buzz, Tina- > > With my wife's help - I'm a health care professional as well > (animals!) > > - I might pull it off if I can find the time. The OR - human or > otherwise - > > is a tough place to be admitted, with the freedom to listen and > photograph. > > I have heard some stories from my wife (even concerning world class > > surgeons) that would curl nose hair - worse than the surgeon who left his > > Orthopedic patient open in the OR here in Boston just to make a an ATM > > transaction --- you can bet that they are on their best behavior when > > someone is watching, with a camera no less. In some ways, however, I think > > that the stories she tells from the NICU are more robust and sincere > > (children bring out the best in these folks), with much fewer incidents of > > 'questionable' behavior from surgeons and surgical residents -- I hope! > > Maybe BD and Ted have seen/heard these tales. > > Ed > > > > > Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 22:29:27 -0500 > > > From: "Buzz Hausner" <buzz.hausner@verizon.net> > > > Subject: [Leica] OR/NICU Photographs > > > Message-ID: <000001c2de10$721e0c10$121afea9@Hausner> > > > References: > > > > > > Well...perhaps and perhaps not. Ted and Sandy are photographing a book > > > on "Women In Medicine," capturing, as I understand it, women in all > > > venues where medicine is practiced. We'll have to wait for a report > > > from Ted and Sandy whether or not they worked in a NICU (Neonatal > > > Intensive Care Unit). I am certain they will be photographing in the OR > > > because I know one of the surgeons who they will follow. > > > > > > Hospital administrators seem reluctant...stupidly...to permit > > > documentary photography in intensive care units. This may be from > > > liability jitters, but who knows. > > > > > > Buzz Hausner > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > -- > To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > -- > To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html