Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2003/02/09
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Hi Jerry, Thank you for clearing that up. You feel the following statement was a lie: > You are comparing Leica US gear with grey market gear. You were not > choosing between Leica US gear with and without passport. It may well be incorrect but that does not make it a lie. A lie is when a false statement is deliberately and knowingly made. I was shocked to learn that I was lying to you because I intrinsically felt that I should have known that before you. So please let me assure you that I am not lying to you; however, I may well be mistaken. According to my spousal unit, I am frequently mistaken. I know nothing about the transaction and I know nothing about the dealer with whom you were dealing so I cannot comment on any specifics you have not told me. However passport documents are matched to an individual item. You cannot just remove the documents and remove the passport plan. Leica did, and maybe still does, have problems with forged Leica USA gear. I do not know the details but at least one dealer is no longer an official dealer due to his practice of transferring documents from official product to grey product and selling both as official. Whether this applies to your situation I do not know. John Collier (always open to correction) PS: When I went to register the passport warrantee on a camera, it was refused by the distributor. The distributor claimed the camera did not come from them and that it was grey. I went back to my dealer and they forwarded all their paperwork back to the distributor. It turns out the distributor had incorrectly recorded the serial number when the camera arrived from Leica AG. On Sunday, February 9, 2003, at 09:56 PM, Jerry Lehrer wrote: > The lies about the dealer offering me a Gray Market Leica. He > did not! Just offered to keep the Passport paperwork. As I said, > I opted to buy a used item instead, at about half the list price, and > from the same dealer. > > Unfortunately, the dealer is not in my town, 'cause his prices are > pretty good on used Leica and Rollei gear. I hate driving North > to LA though. > > > John Collier wrote: > >> So I just have to tell my dealer to remove the passport papers and the >> price drops... >> >> ...fascinating. >> >> Umm, which lies about grey market? >> >> >> On Sunday, February 9, 2003, at 04:09 PM, Jerry Lehrer wrote: >> >>> You did not read what I wrote! This store only sells US Leica >>> gear. No gray market. US Leica stuff with or without Passport. >>> >>> Do not attempt to tell me what I experienced. I am fairly expert >>> in Leica dealing. It was the same box, remove the Passport and >>> it is cheaper. I do have the ability to read the numbers on the >>> paperwork. You do not, because you are not here. >>> >>> Why are you bringing up those lies about Gray Market? >>> >>> All your protestations will not change the real world. I know >>> what I was offered. I know what I accepted. >>> >>> Be careful, or I will bring Austin Franklin into this discussion :-) >>> >>> >>> John Collier wrote: >>> >>>> You are comparing Leica US gear with grey market gear. You were not >>>> choosing between Leica US gear with and without passport. >>>> >>>> On Sunday, February 9, 2003, at 02:50 PM, Jerry Lehrer wrote: >>>> >>>>> On the contrary! I have been offered the same product, with >>>>> or without a Passport Plan. When I say the same product, I >>>>> mean the SAME product, not an identical one. I opted instead >>>>> for a perfect used one, with the store's warranty, at half the >>>>> price. >>>>> >>>>> I do not argue with price structure like that. I accept it and do >>>>> what I prefer: Buy used. >>>>> >>>>> John Collier wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The gear comes with a passport, it is not sold separately. I would >>>>>> like >>>>>> it to be sold separately. - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html