Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2002/10/31
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Well said Sonny Hear ! Hear to the Men o' PAWs :-) [or is it Here ! Here ... ?) - - Phong > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On Behalf Of (SonC) > Sonny Carter > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 9:11 PM > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > Subject: Re: [Leica] PAW -- Criticism or Stroking? > > > Joe, my reaction to filling out a form each time I comment on a picture... > well, I guess you don't wanna hear it. I work at a state university, and the > profusion of forms is just downright silly. > > I don't often comment out in the open LUG. If I do, it is rare, or an > accident, or I think I can offer something that others might need. > > I just don't think that a critique form is very valuable, especially in my > way of shooting, which often is from the hip. I take a tiny moment to > compose, and often until I have seen the proofs, I have no idea which shot > might be THE one. I sit down and brutally throw away contenders until I > have something that I consider the best shot of the week. > > For every PAW, I shoot about 80 shots. I rarely post alternates. If I have > something else I want to share, I wait and post it as a separate shot. > > As far as classification in the headers? Go look at my web site and try to > classify my PAWs. If you can make them fit into some dandy little > categories, I'll buy a five gallon jug of your lens cleaner. (I might do > that anyhow, even if you don't classify them.) > > In my mind, the PAW project is not broken. Seems the only folks who want > to fix it are those who are not shooting and posting. > > Sonny > (who posts at http://www.sonc.com) > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joseph Codispoti" <joecodi@clearsightusa.com> > To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us> > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 7:47 PM > Subject: Re: [Leica] PAW -- Criticism or Stroking? > > > > My reasoning for the "submission form" is to solicit a more complete > > appraisal of the picture being viewed. > > The picture may be awesome, but to the individual who is trying to learn > the > > intricacies of composition, lighting, depth of focus, center of interest, > > etc, awesome does not have much meaning. > > > > In the last 8 hours two questions have been asked that to some may be > > routine but to the novice may be daunting: "the sunny-16 rule" and > > "short/broad lighting". > > These are individuals hungry to learn. Maybe many those who post photos > > deserve to have more complete descriptions of our reaction to their > > offerings. > > > > Joe Codispoti > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Phong" <phong@doan-ltd.com> > > To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 3:19 PM > > Subject: RE: [Leica] PAW -- Criticism or Stroking? > > > > > > > I on the other hand oppose the form suggested by Joe. > > > Not knowing Joe, at first I thought he was kidding. > > > The scales suggest an order, a consistence and a > > > permanence which to me do not exist. > > > > > > I much prefer the free format; if you have something to > > > say, then say it; if you don't, don't. As simple as that. > > > If you are moved to say Wow, then Wow is it. We > > > don't need no stinking submission form. > > > > > > The left brain should know when to leave the right > > > one alone. > > > > > > - Phong > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > > > > [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On Behalf Of Andrew > > > > Amundsen > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 12:45 PM > > > > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > > > > Subject: Re: [Leica] PAW -- Criticism or Stroking? > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe, I really like this approach you have suggested. I hope others > will > > pick > > > > up on something along these lines. > > > > > > > > Sincerly, Andrew Amundsen > > > > > > > > >From: "Joseph Codispoti" <joecodi@clearsightusa.com> wrote(snip): > > > > > I think that if the photographer is submitting a photo for > criticism, > > the > > > > > submission announcement could/should be accompanied by a form > > requesting > > > > > criticism. > > > > > The form, to be filled by respondents, should say, at a minimum: > > > > > > > > > > Title: > > > > > Strong Points: > > > > > Weak points: > > > > > Points to improve: > > > > > Overall artistic rating (1-10): > > > > > Overall technical rating (1-10): > > > > > > > > > > With such a form (or similar), the criticism would cover much of > what > > a > > > > > picture is about. Furthermore, the critic would be compelled to > cover > > all > > > > > points and not just "awesome". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > To unsubscribe, see > http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > > -- > > > To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > > > > > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > > -- > To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html