Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2002/10/29

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Subject: RE: [Leica] PAW -- Criticism or Stroking?
From: "bdcolen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 09:37:53 -0500

ROFLOL!!!
So someone finally noticed that the emperor is only wearing goose bumps!








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From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
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Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:00 AM
To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
Subject: [Leica] PAW -- Criticism or Stroking?


I'm new to posting, having been a "lurker" for quite awhile due to my
fear of 
weighing in on various issues and being torn apart (however well
intentioned) 
by far more knowledgeable members of LUG. But there seems to be a lack
of, 
shall we say, intensity with respect to review and comment on PAWs. I'll
be 
blunt -- I've seen a large number of PAWs that are, at best, mediocre,
almost 
snapshots at a backyard barbeque that could have been taken with a $70
point 
and shoot camera. Yet, the comments for such works include things like
"great 
shot" or "wonderful image." Even allowing for differences in taste, the 
feedback on the PAWs seems remarkably consistent, and overwhelmingly 
positive. Sure, its nice to encourage folks, and it isn't easy to submit

anything for public scrutiny, especially by the extremely talented and 
knowledgeable people who contribute to this group on a regular basis. I 
wouldn't submit my work because, quite frankly, I don't think it is yet
at a 
level where it should be shown, nay, inflicted on the general public,
let 
alone the experts here.

Don't get me wrong, lots of PAWs are amazing -- almost life transforming
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but others, well, its almost like "point a Leica at it and submit it."
Should 
we all bite our tongues at the latter sort and keep silent, or offer 
encouraging "strokes," or should we be honest (but always respectful)
and 
honestly present constructive criticism? Again, I don't want to belittle

those who have the courage and confidence to submit PAWs, but I need 
clarification -- are we here to review and critique in constructive
fashion, 
or simply to validate with hollow "attaboys"  yet another submission of 
someone's wife or daughter by the pool, or colorful locals sitting
around a 
cafe in some foreign locale? I don't want to offend anybody, I'm just 
wondering what the ground rules are.

Many thanks to all for the wisdom the have provided, and continue to
provide 
on this site.

Ellis Krane
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