RE: [Leica] Re: Downloadable Erwin Puts Book and B.D.:

["Austin Franklin" <darkroom@ix.netcom.com>]

Roland,

> You don't seem to understand that most of us are here to share and learn.

That's rather presumptuous.  I DO understand that, as I am here to do the
same as well.

> What we don't want to be learning is the bad behavior that is being
> exhibited by some on the list when they could take their battles off list.

Well, we're supposedly all adults, and can distinguish bad behavior, an
won't "learn" that which we don't want to learn.  If we were 4 year olds,
that would be a different story.

> Alas, it may well  be that the belligerents can only get satisfaction
> performing before a captive audience.

That may be true as well, and I don't feel that's what happened in this
instance.

> Tristan stated his concern without name calling.  He identified
> bad behavior
> without personal attack.

Did you read what Tristan wrote?  I'll quote it here for you:

"I hope that this CHILD would dissappear for good"

I capitalized "child".  That certainly is name calling.

Austin

> Roland Smith
> Oakland, California
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Austin Franklin" <darkroom@ix.netcom.com>
> To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
> Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:00 PM
> Subject: RE: [Leica] Re: Downloadable Erwin Puts Book and B.D.:
>
>
> > Tristan,
> >
> > I believe you are out of line.  First, the name calling.  It's entirely
> > unwarranted.  If you can't make a statement/point without
> calling someone
> > names, then you best not even make the statement.  I don't believe he
> called
> > you any names, so I simply don't see the need for you to call him names.
> >
> > I want to make it CLEAR, I am NOT defending B.D. in any way, shape, or
> form.
> > I am simply calling it as I see it.  I do not believe that B.D. "chased"
> any
> > "good people" away at all.  I've been on this list for upwards of three
> > years now, and I have not seen, in my opinion, B.D. bully
> anyone.  He may
> > take people to task for something, but that is not bullying.
> Some people
> > don't deal being "taken to task" very well.  I know Erwin left more than
> > once, and I know it was not simply because of B.D. this last time (and I
> > doubt the times before).  As Marc stated, Erwin is very sensitive to
> > criticism.  I can't speak about Henry, but I doubt Henry was
> "bullied" off
> > at all, much less by B.D., he can stick up for him self quite
> well from my
> > experience.
> >
> > Austin
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > > [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On Behalf Of
> Tristan Tom
> > > Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 9:37 PM
> > > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > > Subject: [Leica] Re: Downloadable Erwin Puts Book and B.D.:
> > >
> > >
> > > I agree totally with Roland.  B.D. has chased away good
> people with his
> > > antics. Not only Erwin Puts, but the likes of Henry Posner of B&H, as
> well
> > > as others. And he has a consistent track record of blatently bullying
> > > people beyond reason.
> > >
> > > He brings only a lot of negativity to the list and I hope that this
> child
> > > would dissappear for good.
> > >
> > >
> > > Tristan Tom
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >B.D.
> > > >
> > > >You seem to be the frequent instigator of the stressful attacks
> > > that come on
> > > >this user group.
> > > >
> > > >I sure wish you would behave yourself or find another venue.
> > > >
> > > >Our list master in musing about closing the list which would be
> > > a major loss
> > > >to many of us that are here to learn about photography and not rude
> > > >behavior.
> > > >
> > > >I am on the list for what I can learn and not for your poor behavior.
> > > >
> > > >Roland Smith
> > > >Oakland, California

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