Re: [Leica] WOW!

[Jim Hemenway <jim@hemenway.com>]

Stuart:

You can get off of your pulpit.  No one was condescending, it's just
your cynical personal vision of people's intentions.

I have Macs and prefer them and simply mentioned that it's possible that
she forgot to adjust the photos on her website for the larger PC
community... that's if she had created it on a Mac.

Several people said that they were too dark, not just "a couple."

Go LOOK AT HER WEBSITE, not the great beach shots, and then tell us that
many of those pictures are not too dark under any normal photographic
standards.

For several days you've been abrasive in many of your comments.  Why not
just lurk for awhile and adjust your attitude?

It must be so hard for someone like you to put up with us inferior
creatures.

- -- 
Jim - http://www.hemenway.com



Stuart Phillips wrote:
> 
> It's really bizarre that the first thought that came to a couple of
> people on the list is that her photos were a result of technical
> malfunctions. Gee was it a faulty meter or the fact she's working on a
> Mac. Or maybe she's not telling her story quite clearly enough. How
> condescending.  More likely we're not even her intended audience.
> 
> Stuart Phillips
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ted Grant [mailto:tedgrant@shaw.ca]
> Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 6:39 PM
> To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> Subject: Re: [Leica] WOW!
> 
> Kim wrote:
> 
> >>> I'm not a pj, so help me out here.
> >
> > Is it that her work isn't....accurate enough?
> >
> > Is it that she's not telling a story?
> >
> > I guess I'm asking is it that you think her skills (whether technical
> or
> > compostional) aren't up to par or is it the ....content and format fly
> in
> the
> > face of "traditional" photojournalism?<<<
> 
> Hi Kim,
> Good questions and from my point of view as a photojournalist I'll put a
> personal spin to them
> 
> > Is it that her work isn't....accurate enough?<<<
> Nope, it's different and accurate enough in her eyes. In mine? Well it's
> difficult, as I don't see it as I've shot my work for 50 years as a
> published photographer.
> 
> >>> Is it that she's not telling a story?<<
> To some degree, but these days everyone thinks they're photojournalists
> with
> a collection of single pictures, which wasn't the meaning originally of
> photojournalist,  "a story teller with pictures generally on one subject
> ."
> And what we see in the pictures presented are a collection of
> photographs
> shot some what in "art fashion" instead, as what's considered
> photojournalism.
> 
> >>> I guess I'm asking is it that you think her skills (whether
> technical or
> > compostional) aren't up to par or is it the ....content and format fly
> in
> the
> > face of "traditional" photojournalism?<<<
> 
> No I think her skills are well up to par because if they weren't, then
> she's
> one damn lucky photographer to capture the photographs we see. They're
> consistent in technique, so she's got the skills and then some. Actually
> I'd
> like to see more of what she shoots on a daily basis and not a selection
> of
> pictures shot over a period of time..
> 
> Well the content certainly flies in the face of what's "traditional"
> photojournalism, certainly  if you consider telling a story on a subject
> as
> traditional. That doesn't mean she's not a photojournalist, as she may
> do
> major photo stories and that's where the PJ title comes from
> 
> Put what you see here up against what was considered photojournalism in
> the
> old LIFE magazine then the subjects are miles apart.  Again this doesn't
> mean she's not good.
> 
> As Tina pointed out she's working as a staff shooter:
> 
> >>But she works as a PJ - on staff at the Sydney Morning Herald.  "Now
> based
> in Sydney, Narelle is a staff photographer at the Sydney Morning Herald.
> Previously, she worked at the Adelaide Advertiser. She was the principal
> photographer for News Limited's London bureau and freelanced in the
> USA."<<<<
> 
> What would be interesting is, what she shoots for the paper and not what
> we
> see here.  Question is,  is she winning these awards for what she shoots
> daily as a staff photographer or what's here? And if this is the kind of
> thing being published,  to what amount is the work used?
> 
> Or what we see on her website, is it a  " personal photo project"  Or is
> it
> being shot for illustrations as her regularly published work?
> 
> Not sure if this answers any of your questions and making a judgement
> call
> on another photographer, certainly one who's won these awards, makes for
> the
> sound of sour grapes, so one must be very careful how one responds! ;-)
> 
> ted
> 
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