Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2001/11/27

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Subject: Re: [Leica] OT:Photo grad school: now DUCK CINDY!
From: George Day <george@rdcinteractive.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:31:18 -0800

John's sing-along is priceless.  Okay, I confess: I think a lot of her work
is smart and interesting, to say nothing of visually moving.  She's a good
photographer and a good artist, which is why she gets to be in the
Guggenheim and god knows how many other places and 99.99% of other camera
toters -- including those with terribly expensive gear -- just whine on.
But, hey.  

on 11/27/01 2:43 PM, Guy Bennett at gbennett@lainet.com wrote:

>> Excuse me, John, but I don't for a second begrudge her her success - she
>>  found a terrific gimmick, she has worked very hard at self-promition,
>> and it has made her rich and famous.
> 
> 
> Her "gimmick," if you will, is that she works with a subject that is not
> only central to the western tradition of art - the representation of women
> - it is also a subject with a powerful social resonance in most western,
> "developed" countries, since the middle of the 20th century.
> 
> 
>> That being said, I don't think much of her "art,"
> 
> 
> Not wild about it myself.
> 
> 
>> and I don't think she
>> is very "talented," in the way I think you are using the term.
> 
> 
> Everyone's entitled to their opinion.
> 
> 
>> Clever,
>> yes. But that's what makes for the art world.
>> B. D.
> 
> 
> That's too simple. The art world (like the photography world, the music
> world, the film world, etc.) is too complex and multifaceted to written off
> with a single, dismissive jibe. Do you honestly believe that all successful
> artists lack talent and are merely "clever"?
> 
> 
>> P.S. Enjoyed the song.
> 
> 
> Me too!
> 
> Guy
> 
> 
>> John Collier wrote:
>> 
>>> OH goody, let's bash Cindy Sherman again! Let see....hmmm...how about a sing
>>> along. I will write the first stanza and then perhaps everyone could take a
>>> turn?
>>> 
>>> Lead complainer in small caps and all the rest of you talented bums join in
>>> on the all caps. Think more liturgy rather than Neil Diamond.
>>> ----------------
>>> She started small,
>>> 
>>> AND WE HATE THAT!
>>> 
>>> She is hard working,
>>> 
>>> AND WE HATE THAT!
>>> 
>>> She is very talented,
>>> 
>>> AND WE HATE THAT!
>>> 
>>> She explores social issues,
>>> 
>>> AND WE HATE THAT!
>>> 
>>> Her work is highly regarded outside of inbred photographic groups,
>>> 
>>> AND WE HATE THAT!
>>> 
>>> She is doing so well she really does not care what we think,
>>> 
>>> OH AND THAT REALLY BURNS US UP!
>>> 
>>> --------------
>>> 
>>> Over to you Arthur :-)
>>> 
>>> John Collier
>>> 
>>> PS: Can we finish with a rousing rendition of "God Bless Anne Geddes" ?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> From: ARTHURWG@aol.com
>>>> 
>>> 
>>>> and yes,  the most dreadful of all, Cindy Sherman--
>>>> who thanks to luck and pluck has managed to escape from the academic  world
>>>> 
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