Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2001/10/02

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Subject: Re: [Leica] Re: Xtol newbie
From: Rei Shinozuka <shino@ubspainewebber.com>
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 14:52:05 -0400 (EDT)

> From: Guy Bennett <gbennett@lainet.com>
> 
> According to Anchell and Troop, "dilution increases speed and sharpness
> with XTOL. Dilutions of 1:3 or more are frequently recommended. At these
> dilutions XTOL is effectively a nonsolvent developer, but because of its
> careful buffering, grain is still fine." (Film Developing Cookbook, p. 50)
> 
> So with XTOL in dilutions of at least 1:3, you get both the fine grain of a
> solvent developer *and* the sharpness of a non-solvent developer, something
> that has been remarked by a number of folks on this list. And as for not
> having enough developer at dilutions greater than 1:1, I don't believe it.


i guess you are referring to the kodak-recommended "100 ml rule":

From Kodak J109:

   We recommend always starting with at least 100 mL (3.5 fluidounces) of
   full-strength developer to prepare the diluted solution for each 135-36 or
   120 roll (or the equivalent of 80 square inches [516 square centimetres]).

in practical terms, this would imply that with a dilution of 1+3, you would
need 100x4=400ml of diluted solution per roll.  this is roughly equivalent
to one reel in a 2-reel (16 oz) tank full of 1+3 XTOL.



> While there is much to be said for following manufacturers' instructions,
> personal experience suggests that it is simply not true. (Like having to
> mix XTOL at 20° when other temps will also work.) Why not try it yourself
> and compare?
> 
> Guy


i do often break the 100ml rule.  does the 100ml rule have safety factors
built-in, like making sure it will work with 1-year-old developer made
with rusty tapwater, developing muddy-dense negatives, etc?  with fresh xtol
made with distilled water, can we get down to 70-75 ml per roll?

do others break the 100 ml rule?

- -rei

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