Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2001/09/12
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]I say go for WAR. TAKE over any countries that is nursing the terrorist and S&D all of terrorist in that nation before return it back to the innocent native who want peace only humanity and justice are good at some point but that don't apply for who ever group that try to win something by killing thousands of innocent Olivier - -----Original Message----- From: Tarek Charara [mailto:tarek.charara@wanadoo.fr] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:00 AM To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us Subject: Re: [Leica] Terror le 12.09.2001 15:52, B. D. Colen à bdcolen2001@yahoo.ca a écrit : > Perspective? You want to put this in perspective? I'll > give you some perspective: > > * By the time all the bodies are counted we will > undoubtedly learn that more people died in the two > main Trade Tower buildings along than died at Pearl > Harbor; > * By the time all the bodies are counted, we will > probably learn that more Americans died yesterday > than, on average, died in a year during the Vietnam > war; > * By the time all the bodies are counted, we will > probably learn that more Americans died yesterday - on > the job, minding their own business; on vacation, > visiting "The Big Apple," than died in any battle on > American soil other than that at Antietam Creek. This is true and sad. The fact that they are Americans adds nothing. We are talking about human lives that are gone. I consider that one dead person that dies because of blind terror or religeous fanatics is horrible enough, there is no need for statistics. No need to count dead bodies to make things more horrible. Enough is enough. Do you think (y)our anger will bring them back? Do you think (y)our cry for vengeance will bring them back? Killing other people? > No, Tarek, this is not the time to reconsider American > foreign policy - which is precisely what these > terrorists want. Now is not the time to write them off > as "mad men:" Hitler was a "mad man;" Stalin was a > "mad man;" Pol Pot was a "man man." You have no idea of what the terrorists want. If you had been living in the Middle-East you would know that any enemy of peacetalks would want a hardening of the US M-E position and thus provoke the USA. You cannot compare Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot with Usama Ben Laden. Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot where predictable, Ben Laden is not. Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot were head of states, Ben Laden is not. Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot where visible, Ben Laden is hiding. Ben Laden is a renegade, Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot where not... > There is only one way to deal with such "mad men" - > and that is to kill them, and to make support of them > so excricatingly painful that those who would follow > them as martyrs will be forced to rethink the joys of > martyrdom. I agree with you. This doesn't explain why Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot have not been killed when they where active. The US has already tried to kill Ben Laden... Not so easy. What else? WW3? Millions of dead for revenge? Do not misunderstand me, I'm not excusing anything, I just do not want to jump to hasty conclusions or act like a cowboy shooting at anything that moves... Tarek > > B. D. > --- Tarek Charara <tarek.charara@wanadoo.fr> wrote: >> le 12.09.2001 12:13, B. D. Colen ? >> bdcolen2001@yahoo.ca a ?crit?: >> >>> Laura wrote: >>>> The only way to get out of horror is to educate a >>>> whole generation out of >>>> hate. I couldn't stand >>>> today's scenes on TV showing all those >> palestinian >>>> kids and women >>>> celebrating in the streets. >>>> Unfortunately, I don't see nor hear any world >> leader >>>> talking about the >>>> urgency of educating children out of hate, >>>> as it was done in Germany during the so called >>>> de-nazification process. >>>> >>> >>> You forget, Laura, that that process was begun >> AFTER >>> Nazi Germany was turned to rubble. It's a little >> late >>> now to talk about re-educating the cheering >> children. >>> Now is the time to make it very very painfully >> clear >>> to the parents of those children, and the >> governments >>> of those parents, that there is an enormous and >>> horrific price to pay for engaging in, or >> supporting >>> the kind of acts which were carried out yesterday. >>> THEN we can all talk about re-educating children. >>> >>> B. D. >> >> >> Maybe it's time to put things into perspective. >> First of all I would like to >> say that I am totally against violence of any sort >> and against any sort of >> extremism. I'm still shocked about what happened >> yesterday. >> >> - These barbaric terror acts have been prepared by >> intelligent, >> well-prepared people. This is not just a terror act, >> it's the proof that any >> man that is willing to die can create chaos beyond >> belief. >> >> - The media has its way of manipulating things. A >> bunch of extremist >> children, women and men chanting and dancing or >> whatever are hardly >> representative of a population as a whole. I would >> be very careful with what >> is shown on TV. Having lived in the Middle-East, I >> can tell you that most of >> the time these manifestations are organised for the >> media. >> >> - Religeous extremism is almost always the result of >> poverty, opression etc. >> Example: Iran and the Shah regime. The palestinians >> (in palestine) have been >> opressed and reduced to poverty for the last 50 >> years, living in a state of >> apartheid and racism. (The interview of Ariel Sharon >> by Amos Oz, Davar >> 17.12.1982, should give you an idea about Israeli >> politics, the writings of >> Israel Shahak also). Some of them, desperate, have >> turned to islamic >> extremism, having no fear of death or blowing >> themselves up. What do you >> want to do? Kill them?.... What do they care? Kill >> their families and other >> innocent people (as proposed by israeli government) >> and you become barbaric >> yourself. >> >> - Usama ben Laden is a renegade terrorist. He's very >> rich, very intelligent >> and very mad. He decided that the USA represent the >> evil that supports a >> racist and fascist country called Israel that is, in >> his mind, the cause of >> all the trouble in the middle-east. His hope, I >> think, is that the conflict >> will escalate and include middle-eastern countries >> that are more on the >> moderate side. Will he succeed? >> >> - These acts are the proof that no country is safe >> against desparate >> kamikaze terrorists. >> >> - Maybe the USA should review it's foreign policy. I >> was wondering if all of >> this would have happened if Palestinians and >> Israelis had signed the Peace >> treaty due to the efforts of G.W.Bush... >> >> In the end it's all about suffering. How can anybody >> expect that the >> suffering will end by retaliation? There is enough >> war already in the world. >> Who benefits from it? Certainly not us regular >> folks! >> >> Tarek, disgusted. >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca