Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2001/09/02
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]We often see the advice "Get insurance for your Leicas so you don't have to worry about replacing them if stolen." I have insurance on my Leicas and had a Domke 803 bag stolen from my hotel room -- while my wife was in the room -- in France. A thief opened the hotel room door, grabbed the Domke sitting on the bed and her purse and ran out. The Domke contained a classic M6, 21mm ASPH, 28mm Elmarit, metal 21mm viewfinder etc. The thief did not see a Domke F2 bag filed with R gear behind the door. I was out of the room for few minutes at the time. I believe the thief saw me leave and assumed the room was empty but after he opened the door, he grabbed what he could even though he saw my wife there. The hotel was a charming old hotel, four stars, with the old fashioned locks that one had to lock with a key from outside and inside. Neither me nor my wife locked the room since I was coming back in a few minutes. This story is about my experience trying to collect from my insurance company, Clarenden Insurance in Florida. The camera coverage is part of my homeowners policy. The robbery happened on June 12, was reported to the company on June 16 and I have not yet gotten any money from the company -- not even for replacing my wife's purse, sunglasses etc. They say we are wrong to proceed with replacements until they authorize it and issue our payment check. Come on, my wife is supposed to do without a purse for and sunglasses (in Florida) for months? When I insured the cameras, they did not believe the values. I had to document what I had paid for each piece and the current value by copies of ads from Shutterbug, etc. Finally, they accepted the "Insured values" but I have not been able to get them to believe these same values when the time came for payment for my losses. The company says, they estimate cameras depreciate at 7% per year and will pay replacement cost. This would make the 21mm metal viewfinder I paid $160 for in 1980 worthless but it is impossible to replace at $500! That is what I claimed but they are balking, saying "How could this be?" I paid $1,090 for the M6 in 1986 and they want to pay me based upon 7% depreciation for 21 years -- in other words, pay me nothing! Yet I insured it for $1,500 and they happily accepted the premium each year. The 21mm lens was bought used the month before we left for France and they won't even accept the used price I paid for it as the current market value! I asked them to contact Stan Tamarkin in NYC to confirm the loss values I was claiming and Stan did talk to them and said he agreed with my claim values. But so far, no money. Meanwhile, I took advantage to the Leica rebates and bought a new M6 and 28mm Summicron. When I tried to list them on my policy, they refused coverage "until they settle my claim" but meanwhile there is no coverage. Now I paid my renewal premium on the first of July including coverage for the cameras reported stolen on June 16. So there is considerable insurance value I have paid for which I have no cameras covered -- neither the stolen camera nor the replacement. I would like to switch companies but I am stuck until I can get this worked out. I am considering complaining to the Florida State Insurance Commissioner. I believe the company is not playing fair. So insurance is not an easy answer either. This is my first camera insurance claim and I have traveled with Leicas since my first M3 in 1953. I try to be careful and act sensibly but it is impossible to use your Leicas to make pictures and be invisible or keep the equipment always out of sight. And my Domke 803 bag looked valuable enough to steal to this thief. Life is full of risks and one we Leica photographers have to accept is the risk of theft. I know of no way to be absolutely theft proof and loss proof. But I learned always keep the door locked. ALWAYS! Question: Who has had good experience with insurance payment for their lost Leicas? What company were you with? Ken Lassiter, Boynton Beach, FL