Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2001/02/27

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Subject: Re: [Leica] Noctilux Canada or Germany?
From: Dan Cardish <dcardish@sympatico.ca>
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 13:55:55 -0500

What???   Surely there are Land Rover factories in Britain, and Chrysler
companies in America.   It makes perfect sence for BMW to label Land Rovers
as British and Mercedes to label Chryslers as American.   They are both
British and American cars, respectively.  

How does this have anything to do with Cosina labelling one of their
products as German?     Why not label them as Tibetan or Austrian?   Makes
about as much sense.

dan c.

At 11:09 AM 27-02-01 -0500, Steve LeHuray wrote:
>> I don't understand your point.  Cosina is a Japanese company, located
>> thousands of miles from Germany.  As far as know (and in part this is what
>> I am trying to find out), Cosina has no connections with Germany, other
>> than they bought a trademark (Voigtlander) which previously belonged to a
>> German based company.  Yet, Cosina advertises their products as somehow
>> being associated with Germany, but I see no connection whatsoever.
>>
>> I am not referring to people being assiciated with a company due to buying
>> their products, I don't understand this analogy.   Why would I call myself
>> "Dan Cardish - Photographer (Germany)", unless I had studios or offices
>> etc. in Germany?   I don't question Kyocera referring to their lenses as
>> Carl Zeiss Germany, since they have an active arrangement with a German
>> manufacturer, even though production may take place in Japan.   But what is
>> the connection in Cosina's case?
>>
>> Dan C.
>
>BMW a German company now owns Land Rover a British company, Mercedes now
>owns Chrysler an American company. Somehow all these companies, including
>Cosina, by right of ownership can lay claim to whatever reputation the old
>company had prior to the new ownership. So I do not understand why you are
>obsessing over this. It-is-what-it-is.
>
>Steve
>Annapolis
>
>
>>
>> At 09:46 AM 27-02-01 -0500, Steve LeHuray wrote:
>>>> BMW is a German based company.   They just happen to own some plants in
>>>> other countries such as USA in addition to their German plants.  Is
Cosina
>>>> similar to BMW in this way?
>>>>
>>>> I happen to live in Canada.  Does it make sense for me to incorporate
>>>> myself as a photographer and refer to myself as "Dan Cardish -
Photographer
>>>> (Germany) Inc."?   I've never even been to Germany.
>>>>
>>>> Dan C.
>>>
>>>Dan,
>>>
>>>I do not understand your argument, just because somebody buys a product (a
>>>loaf of Bread) does not make you affiliated with the company that made the
>>>product.
>>>
>>>Steve
>>>Annapolis
>>>
>>>>
>>>> At 09:14 AM 27-02-01 -0500, Steve LeHuray wrote:
>>>>>> In what way is it a German company?  Are there any manufacturing
>> plants in
>>>>>> Germany?  Are there even any German employees?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dan C.
>>>>>
>>>>>BMW makes cars in S. Carolina, USA, but nobody calls them American cars.
>>>>>
>>>>>Steve
>>>>>Annapolis
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At 09:24 PM 27-02-01 +0800, ray tai wrote:
>>>>>>>Voigtlander is the brand and it is a German company.  The fact that a
>>>>>> Japanese
>>>>>>>company provided the technology and manufacturing does not make the
term
>>>>>>>"Voigtlander Germany" untrue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

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