Re: [Leica] Re: Nazi Paraphernalia

["Ted Grant" <tedgrant@home.com>]

Gentlemen of LUG,
Ladies please note:  I did not include you ladies as I imagine you have far
better things to do with your time taking pictures with your Leica's, rather
than engaging in this drivel!

It's absolutely incredible how one question, something about a Leica with a
emblem of the past,  can escalate to the level this has in a matter of days!
To read grown "intelligent?"  sorry, it needs the question mark regarding
the intelligence level in this case,  due to how low the level of
conversation has become in the blink of an eye!

What's even more disturbing is,  this has gone so far off the conversations
normally engaged in on the LUG that I can't imagine what some of you chaps
are about!

Is this not a forum, list, conversation centre for things Leica, as in
camera and that of taking pictures with said equipment?  Surely no one is
really getting any photographic enjoyment out of this nonsense.

I do believe at sometime in the past there was a similar round of silliness
regarding this very subject and for it to raise it's ugly head once again is
completely beyond me. If you need a history fix about the past, go read the
garbage in the archives. Then go and throw up, get it out of your system and
come back to earth with pictures you've taken!

Damn, obviously a great number of you have absolutely nothing better to do
with yourselves and time than ragging each other into dumb ass conversations
that have absolutely, absolutely,  nothing whatsoever to do with picture
taking!

Hey and don't come back and tell me if I don't like it use my delete key!
Stick it in your ear!

If you are truly interested in photography and what can be done with the
leica camera and can tell me one photographic benefit derived from this
bloody word nonsense,  I'll be only too glad to delete every LUG message
from now til hell freezes over.

I've enjoyed, lost my control, kicked ass and angered friends and made many
during the past 5 years on this list, no I wouldn't want to unplug, as I
realize the family gets a bad case of tight knotted undershorts once in
awhile. And you better believe it, this is one of the most dumb ass knotted
undershort twitches I've seen in sometime.

So let me suggest, drop it, hell don't even reply to this, just come back
with the fun of the PAW, the whatever it is, that doesn't get folks looking
to reach through the screen and rip heads off!

Hey guys remember we are only here a short time and this topic has already
burned away a great deal of  "your picture taking time"  left on Mother
Earth!

ted











Ted Grant Photography Limited
www.islandnet.com/~tedgrant
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Hugo Lopes" <hal@netc.pt>
To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 5:19 PM
Subject: [Leica] Re: Nazi Paraphernalia


> >I think they were part of the I.G. Farben consortium, but if a finger
> were
> >to be pointed- what about BASF (Badische Anilin und SodaFabrik)- every
> time
> >I see their commercials on TV I add to their blurb- "yes, the wonderful
> >people who brought us Zyklon-B...."
> >I have to admit, I do not knowingly buy BASF products....
> >Dan
>
> A couple of questions Dan:
> - Have you ever owned a Ford? (Henry Ford donated money to the Nazi
> party before the war)
> - Do you read Newsweek? (They elected Hitler man of the year in 36)
> - Do you own an IBM (see the latest news)
> - What about the allied factories that produced phosphorous incendiary
> bombs that killed over 40000 civilians in Dresden and many thousands in
> Hamburg (there were people hiding in subterraneous who were literally
> ROASTED alive due to the heat generated by the allied bombing).
>
> Morale: Before 39, Hitler was not regarded such a bad guy by the allies.
> He hated communists and left-wingers which suited the west's views fine.
> It was the allies fault as much as the German people fault for what
> happened. Of course there is nothing wrong with driving a Ford of
> reading Newsweek, since the people who gave the money and wrote those
> wonderful things about Hitler are already dead. We cannot put blame on
> the German people or Industry alone. We all share the blame. If people
> think otherwise is because History is written by the winners only.
>
> Hugo
>
>
>