Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2000/08/09
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Let it be - obviously you do not know what you are talking about. When did you last print a contrasty negative? All the best! Raimo photos at http://personal.inet.fi/private/raimo.korhonen - -----Alkuperäinen viesti----- Lähettäjä: ralph fuerbringer <rof@mac.com> Vastaanottaja: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us> Päivä: 08. elokuuta 2000 23:33 Aihe: Re: [Leica]So long, Flare, we overknew ye.... was Shadow boxing >together at last: the flare twins, meyers and wullf,official flare quardians >on the list.for the flair wulff uncovered in photographing a brick wall >he received the uncoveted DE award(double expose, sky first then the >wall,get max flair) > meyers contributions to flare myth would require a 30 gigabite harddrive. >still you cant fault these two tech nincompops for presumption.for >their pathetic theory they demean a perfectionist, Philip Jones-Griffiiths. >they imply he would skip a helpful preflash to speed up his own or magnums >slide-copying,ignoring the best quality possible.there have been statements >galore here that flare and preflashing involve inevitable and severe loss of >definition and contrast. Philip Jones-Griffith statement to forget the >preflash was unqualified. in practical terms it verifies the unqulalified >one muddy meyers quoted from Erwin Puts:"the old story that you can use a >low contrast and/or flare prone lens to compensate for high contrast in the >scene is not accurate. flare adds nothing to the highlights, >just muddies the dark." cant we get flare interested in somthing else, like > the epson 1270? . humidity and ozone are having a ball turning stuff >orange. flare, go there,give the orange a preflash.if it helps you'll be a >hero, maligned no more. ralph > >> From: Edward Meyers <aghalide@panix.com> both hava reading disored >> Reply-To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us >> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 14:26:24 -0400 (EDT) >> To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us >> Subject: Re: [Leica]So long, Flare, we overknew ye.... was Shadow boxing >> >> Thank you for this evaluation. Ed >> >> On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, Henning J. Wulff wrote: >> >>> At 2:20 AM -0400 8/8/00, ralph fuerbringer wrote: >>>> sincd ed meyers hides behind a magnum name with his flare infatuation i'm >>>> offering one in rebuttal. philip jones-griffiths is not just a photographer >>>> of equal repute but is a technician without an equal among magnum >>>> photograpers. i once asked Philip Jones-Griffiths whether to get the >>>> preflashing attachment for the bowens famous slide copier. he said it was >>>> not just valueless but a handicap. he was doing or supervising (president of >>>> magnum at the time) tons of slide copying. if preflashing w/precise control >>>> is a handicap in a labratory setup what does >>>> the degrading imput of flare from an uncoated lens add to an outdoor >>>> portrait? meyers and wulff claim this is why the preflashing effect works: >>>> flare is so pushy and fast it gets to your film before your actual picture! >>>> flaretheewell,ralph >>> >>> Maybe he likes the extra punch and lack of detail in shadows that that will >>> bring. Using the pre-flashing with the Bowens Illumitran does indeed help >>> control contrast at times. I had one for a while and found the pre-flash >>> definitely worthwhile for many shots. If you are using the regular slide >>> duplicating film the effort is often not worth the trouble, but the effect >>> is unmistakable. >>> >>> Maybe he was referring to the use of the pre-flash when he had a ton of >>> images to copy and time was more important than ultimate contrast control? >>> >>> It's a 'handicap' if you consider a flatter image a handicap. >>> >>> As you generally gain contrast in copying, and usually shift the HD curve >>> as well, you usually need to reduce contrast. You do this best by starting >>> off with a slide duplicating film matched to your taking film as well as >>> possible, then try to lift the toe area out of the murk a bit by >>> pre-flashing. Fairly straighforward. >>> >>> * Henning J. Wulff >>> /|\ Wulff Photography & Design >>> /###\ mailto:henningw@archiphoto.com >>> |[ ]| http://www.archiphoto.com >>> >> >