Re: [Leica] Re: it DOESN'T work well for leica!

[J Vaughan <sthawk_ontheroad@yahoo.com>]

Ken-

 Nice little portfolio... THAT'S what matters.
 You have the images to share. No matter  how you got them; you GOT
them. Good work I liked the abstraction  with your daughter's feet and
the shot of  your son interacting  with her. I  have heard that can me
a vital point in the relationship betweeen siblings... looked the part
IMO.

Thanks,
Jeremy
Never been there...
err...

- --- Jim Brick <jimbrick@photoaccess.com> wrote:
> Very good Ken...  :-)
> 
> Right on the money!
> 
> Been there, done that, four times.
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> At 11:32 PM 6/13/00 -0700, Ken Iisaka wrote:
> >Ok, this is getting to the point where I can no longer stay quiet
> and
> >polite.
> >
> >Bernard a ecrit:
> >> Ted Grant wrote:
> >>
> >> > Bernard wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > I can't believe how you would need a nocti in a hospital.
> Isn't
> >that people's
> >> > > workplace? Aren't there laws in the US stating how bright the
> >light should be at
> >> > > people's workplace? Wouldn't a hospital be a well-lit place,
> >practically per
> >> > > definition?! And the man has to use a nocti and ISO1600
> film...
> >who are you
> >> > > kidding! A 2.8 quality point and shoot would have done just as
> >nicely, and it's
> >> > > a lot quieter yet.<<<<<<<<<<<
> >> >
> >> > Excuse' moi?   Bernard,  have you ever been in a heart surgery
> >recovery
> >> > room at 2 a.m.?  Like that's in the middle of the "dark time,"
> you
> >know
> >> > ......   night!
> >>
> >> Ted, as Jim Brick is so very ready to assert without really
> knowing
> >what
> >> is going on, you indeed deserve all the respect in the world for
> your
> >> photography. So just such that you understand my following reply;
> I
> >> wasn't talking about you and shooting at night _at all_. If you
> had
> >read
> >> what you reply to (no offense, but reading does help avoid
> >> misunderstandings), you would realize that I referred clearly (I
> had
> >the
> >> quote included in my post, yet you snipped it) to Ken Iisaka's
> >shooting
> >> of the birth of his son. I always thought that doctors delivered
> >babies
> >> in more than the light of one single candle. But I could be wrong!
> >
> >Indeed, you are wrong, and you probably have never witnessed the
> birth
> >of a human.
> >
> >Well, the pictures fellow LUGgers have seen are of the birth of our
> >_daughter_.  The pictures of our son being born were taken with a
> Nikon
> >F3/T with a MD-4 motordrive, and a Nikkor 28mm 1:2.8 lens.  The
> delivery
> >of our son was at a midwife clinic, and the lighting condition was
> >abysmal.  Even with a Tmax 3200 rated at 6400, the shutter speed
> used
> >was 1/15 at wide open.  Since I had to take the picture with only
> one
> >hand, and I could not bring my eyes to the camera (I was holding my
> wife
> >throughout the delivery.)
> >
> >The lighting condition under which my daughter was born at a local
> >hospital was better.  It happened that our daughter was born at
> 7:40am
> >on the first, bright and sunny day after the rain season.  However,
> the
> >triage pictures were in the middle of the night, with just a single
> 15W
> >fluorescent tube illuminating the room.  More light was available,
> but
> >turning them on would have irritated my wife, so we left a minimal
> >amount of light on.
> >
> >
> >> Don't they flip on the lights when a woman gives birth?
> >
> >Not if the woman asks to keep the room dim.  You have never dealt
> with a
> >birthing mother, eh?  You know the difference between a terrorist
> and a
> >birthing mother?  You can negotiate with a terrorist!!!
> >
> >(Sorry, Tina, and other mothers on the list)
> >
> >> Again, I wasn't referring to your book at all. I was curious as to
> why
> >> one would need f1 with ISO1600 (it might even have been D3200) in
> the
> >> delivery room (the Lisaka setup).
> >
> >I didn't need it, as it turned out for my daughter's delivery;
> however,
> >I was prepared for any situation.  What if my daughter was born on
> the
> >highway en route to the hospital in the middle of the night?  Rather
> >than carrying a slew of lenses and lighting equipment, I could pack
> very
> >light.  All I needed was my M6 and Noctilux.  Preparedness is a big
> part
> >of success.
> >
> >>
> >> > >>>>> A 2.8 quality point and shoot would have done just as
> nicely,
> >and it's
> >> > > a lot quieter yet.<<<<<
> >> >
> >> > Really? It seems you might be mistaken unless you're using a
> loud
> >Leica M6!
> >>
> >> Perhaps a loud M3, but my Minilux is quieter.
> >
> >My Minox GT-E is probably quieter, still.  Minilux is an exceptional
> >point and shoot.  Most run-of-the-mill point-and-shoots are,
> >Whirrrr-click/flash-hrump-wheeewheeeewheeewheee-cachunk.
> >
> >> >  And as far as any suggestion of a pointie-shootie and a 2.8
> lens,
> >sorry old buddy,
> >> > never happen in the above mentioned lighting conditions.  Unless
> you
> >like point and
> >> > shoot wiggly squiggly pictures.
> >>
> >> Once again, I trust you entirely as to your book not being
> possible
> >with
> >> a 2.8. But in the delivery room when the action comes down? If I
> were
> >a
> >> doctor, I would really appreciate some light to shine down there.
> >
> >Again, you don't need light for the birth.  You only need it for
> >postpartum procedures.  Also, after the baby comes out, the mother
> can
> >ask to have the light dimmed, n'est-ce pas?  Again, you are
> blatantly
> >displaying your ignorance.
> >
> >>
> >> > Possibly you might do better with a few years experience under
> your
> >belt in the real
> >> > world of available light photography before you make unfounded
> >remarks about other
> >> > photographers work.  Actually at the moment you sound like some
> of
> >the "visually
> >> > impaired editors" I've had to contend with over the years.  No
> >offense me old son!
> >>
> >> Ted, you're the master, no doubt about it. But if you had read my
> post
> >> completely, I might have had a chance at not being called "photo
> >> editor", visually impaired or otherwise.
> >
> >You know, some people don't have chance to reproduce...
> >
> >
> 


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