Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 1999/10/17
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Stephen Gandy and now Mike Johnston noted that in their opinion the M4 is the last Leica build to standards where cost would be of no concern. Mike includes the seven element Summicron to belong to that same class. The implication as I see it is that the current Leica models are build with a cost conscious mind. Now what is truth here? And what is the importance of such a statement if true? I am not trying to discuss opinions. If anybody would say: "I regard the <whatever camera or whatever lens> to be the best build ever" I would not even try to comment. Opinions are just that: a person's view about whatever. But as soon as an opinion is transformed into a fact, we need proof. First we need a testable definition of what constitutes a manufacture "where cost is no concern". Secondly we need a standard of deviation where any manufacture would depart from that definition. One of my hobbies is the engineering of old trucks and one of my favorites is the Mack "Red Ball Express". According to current engineering the strength of the basic chassis could be assessed as overkill and the same structural integrity could be secured with a different engineering. The second approach might be notified as "cost cutting" as less material is involved. But the new design is smarter and uses more mathematics to get the same durability and longevity. So is cost cutting in itself a bad act and does it lead by necessity to a lesser product? Not at all! But independently of the consequences and implications of cost cutting, we need to establish some criteria to be able to note when a design is beyond these criteria. The original 7 element chrome Summicron weights 285 grams. The current chrome version of the Summicron weights 335 grams. The current one has six elements. Now assume for the sake of the argument that the amount of material of the mount has been reduced or that the choice of material is such that in the past some part would be brass where it is now a light alloy. Is that bad? But the surfaces of the lens elements have a coating that is more laborious/expensive to apply and the surfaces itself are better, that is more accurately/more expensivlye finished and the mounting is more laborious/expensive because more attention is given to the process of centring the lens elements. The glass is more costly etc. Now how do we establish that the 7-element version is built with a perspective of "cost is of no concern". We should dismantle both lenses and look at the material, the precision of machining and of mounting and we should know about the process/cost of producing/assembling this lens then and now. Only when we know this all and have verified it, a statement can be made. And as we do not have so, any statement about cost cutting is at best a hypothesis, yet to be proven. My position here has nothing to do with not accepting any critique about any current Leica product. I deplore the dust in current lenses, the friction of the distance rings, the rough moving of aperture rings, the nonalignment of rangefinder patches, the not functioning of electronics, the flare in the viewfinder etc. I also note that when putting an older Leica lens on the bench I have a 50% chance of decentring and when putting a current lens on the bench this same chance is less than 5%. That is progress! Is it the result of cost cutting? The same story can be told for the M4/M6 comparison. Nor Mr Gandy nor Mr Johnston have disassembled an M4 and an M6 and have proved with solid engineering arguments that the M4 is better built or is built with a "cost is irrelevant"- perspective, whatever that is supposed to be. In fact we have returned to that enigmatic discussion that "they do not built them now as they did in the past". I did disassemble an M3 and M6 and compared it gear for gear, screw by screw and component by component. My conclusion? Read the above. Erwin