RE: [Leica] Americans. Now: baby killers

["Kotsinadelis, Peter (Peter)" <peterk@lucent.com>]

Come to California and learn...  OJ did.

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> From: 	Bryan Caldwell[SMTP:bcaldwell@softcom.net]
> Reply To: 	leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> Sent: 	Friday, October 01, 1999 6:07 PM
> To: 	leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> Subject: 	Re: [Leica] Americans.  Now: baby killers
> 
> Peter,
> 
> >>In the US if you commit robbery you can get off, the seocnd time you may
> do
> some time.  <<
> 
> As a criminal defense attorney, I would very much like to know how this
> works. A number of my clients would like to know too.
> 
> 
> Bryan
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kotsinadelis, Peter (Peter) <peterk@lucent.com>
> To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
> Sent: Friday, October 01, 1999 1:05 PM
> Subject: RE: [Leica] Americans. Now: baby killers
> 
> 
> > Thank you for the information from that communist group of leftists
> a.k.a.
> > Amnesty International.
> >
> > Do they use Leica Rs or Ms?  Leica loupes perhaps to examine their
> clienmts
> > documents? I would hope so, after all they do need to find those loupe
> > holes...er..umm I mean loop holes.
> >
> > As to the underage offenders who have committed murder, and whose
> lawyers
> > and others feel that execution is not necessary, I hope they serve a
> child
> > sitter for them or at very least become their house guest for an
> extended
> > period of time.
> >
> > To put the US in the same sentence as Yemen and Saudi Arabia is
> ludicrous!!
> > In the US if you commit robbery you can get off, the seocnd time you may
> do
> > some time.  In the other countries you noted, the first time they remove
> > your right hand, and the next time they remove you from society
> permanently
> > with a means not as pleasant as lethal injection.
> >
> > Peter K
> > (Not a lawyer, but a god fearing, Leica toting American!)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bryan Caldwell [mailto:bcaldwell@softcom.net]
> > Sent: Friday, October 01, 1999 12:12 PM
> > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Americans. Now: baby killers
> >
> >
> > The following statistics are provided by Amnesty International (and
> > verifiable through any number of sources):
> >
> > "International law prohibits the execution of people who were under 18
> at
> > the time of the crime.
> >
> > "Most countries with the death penalty have laws exempting the execution
> of
> > juvenile offenders; the only other countries, besides the United States,
> in
> > which such executions are reported to have been carried out in the 1990s
> are
> > Saudi Arabia and Yemen.
> >
> > "There have been 13 executions of juvenile offenders in the USA,
> including
> 7
> > in Texas. The 1st such execution in 20 years occurred in Texas in 1985.
> >
> > "As of May, 1999, over 70 juvenile offenders are on death rows in the
> USA,
> > including 26 on death row in Texas; 24 of the 38 US states with the
> death
> > penalty have laws allowing the imposition of death sentences on
> juveniles.
> >
> > "In June 1989, the US Supreme Court ruled that the execution of
> offenders
> as
> > young as 16 was permissible under the Constitution."
> >
> > There is a little semanitcs involved, however. The issue is not whether
> a
> > juvenile has been executed (although that is possible) but whether a
> person
> > is executed for a crime that they committed while they were a juvenile.
> >
> > Bryan
> > (I'm a public defender currently assigned to juvenile cases in
> California)
> >
> >
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> > ----
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Dan Cardish <dcardish@microtec.net>
> > To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
> > Sent: Friday, October 01, 1999 9:42 AM
> > Subject: RE: [Leica] Americans. Now: baby killers
> >
> >
> > > This has got to be the goofiest thing I have read yet on the LUG.
> > > Absolutely idiotic.  Even the National Enquirer wouldn't try passing
> off
> > > such complete and total drivel.
> > >
> > > Dan C.
> > >
> > > At 10:41 AM 01-10-99 -0600, Tim Atherton wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> At , dkgibson@hushmail.com wrote:
> > > >> >2. They are one of the last countries in the world which still
> execute
> > > >> >children; one of the few others being Afganistan. Although the US
> has
> > > >> >executed more children than Afganistan in the last few years.
> > > >>
> > > >> This is completely ludicrous. If it was happening, we would know
> > > >> about it.
> > > >> See, unlike the U.K. we have a free press.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Hmm,
> > > >
> > > >I don't recall all the details, but I do recall reading a longish
> article
> > > >about this in Vanity Fair I think, and also on Salon.com on the
> internet
> > I
> > > >think? I think the point of the article was that most Americans
> didn't
> > know
> > > >it was happening. Now, having just had a big magazine clear out, I
> will
> > have
> > > >to go and see if it still there...
> > > >
> > > >Tim A
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > NO ARCHIVE
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>