RE: [Leica] "Filters for the 75/1.4M indoors?"- Certainly! Especially for negatives!

["B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>]

Thanks Dan, Xavier, and everyone else to responded to this one...Feedback
like this is what makes the LUG valuable, as well as fun...

B. D.
and I'm sure that Dr. Blacktape would share my sentiments..;-)


- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
[mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On Behalf Of Dan Post
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 1999 10:26 AM
To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
Subject: Re: [Leica] "Filters for the 75/1.4M indoors?"- Certainly!
Especially for negatives!


BD-
Well, the "New" T400-CN has been replace with the B&W Plus Select film....
The T400CN had an integral mask, but it was light and didn't print as well
on colorpaper.
The new stuff looks and acts like Gold 200 on a color printer- I use the
same Gold channel on the printer when I print it.
Since the image itself is a gray dye, the only differenc in printing on B&W
paper would be the effect of the mask in that the overall speed of the paper
would probably be reduced. I haven't yet used it to print B&W paper.
I would suggest that if you are printing to B&W paper, that the Ilford XP-2
would serve better as it has no mask and looks exactly like a B&W negative.
The new Kodak stuff is made to print on color paper for 'down and dirty'
results- if they continue with the T400CN, I am sure it will print better on
actual B&W paper....
I'll post some results when I get a chance to try it in the darkroom....
Dan
- ----- Original Message -----
From: B. D. Colen <bdcolen@earthlink.net>
To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 1999 10:11 AM
Subject: RE: [Leica] "Filters for the 75/1.4M indoors?"- Certainly!
Especially for negatives!


> Dan - If I may tap your expertise...
>
> How does the "new" Kodak TCN look compared to HP2 Super? And does it print
> on black and white paper better/easier, than XP2? In fact, is it more
> difficult to print on black and white paper than a traditional black and
> white film, say TriX?
>
> Thanks..
>
> B. D.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us]On Behalf Of Dan Post
> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 12:15 PM
> To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> Subject: Re: [Leica] "Filters for the 75/1.4M indoors?"- Certainly!
> Especially for negatives!
>
>
> AS a photofinisher, in a one hour lab, I have to sqeak up, at this point.
> The problem with balancing color negative film to tungsten, without
filters,
> is that the blue sensitive layer is usually so underexposed as to have
very
> little information on it.... this is the yellow dye layer, and you can add
> as much yellow filtration- in the negative process of printing this yields
> blue or minus yellow in the print, and if the information is not there, it
> is JUST NOT THERE! You get an overall blue pgoto that looks like.... crap!
> Either over exposed the film so you get SOME information on the blue layer
> or use a blue filter- either way, you reduce the efective speed, but
you'll
> get much better color!
> Flame all you want, but from where I sit, at the printer, it is a lot
easier
> to correct to a decent color balance when you have sufficient information
on
> the negative in all three layers, to get a fair representation of the
> subject!
> The hardest task I've ever had was explaining to a lady that even if she
> used a white backdrop to photograph her craft items with tungsten light,
> that if I balanced the sheet to look white, everything else was a funny
> color- had to show her the densitometer readings where the blue sensitive
> layer had a density of .22 and the red and green layers had densities of
> about .80!
> If you do use filters, and want good correction- shoot a frame or two with
a
> neutral gray card- modst printers balance to a gray. I can read the
> densities of the gray card on the negative and get a ballpark correction-
or
> read a test print of the gray card and know the amount of correction to
key
> in for that roll. Some one hour labs, however, may balk at taking the time
> to do this, or they may have operators that use the PHD button to print
>  Push Here!, Dummy!).
> Try it with filters and a gray card- you'll be pleasantly surprised.
>
> Dan ( The Sixty Minute Man....)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: apbc <apbc@public1.sta.net.cn>
> To: Leica Users Group <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 6:42 AM
> Subject: [Leica] Donning his asbestos suit, he asks: "Filters for the
> 75/1.4M indoors?"
>
>
> > >When you folks are shooting color film with your wonderful 50/1.0 or
> > >75/1.4, how do you avoid the dreaded orange glow from incandescent
> > >lighting?
> >
> > 64T, 160T, 320T or a professional printer of negatives all do very
> > nicely, thank you.
> >
> > Bests
> >
> > Adrian
> >
> > Adrian Bradshaw
> > Editorial and Corporate Photography
> > Shanghai, China
> >
> >
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