Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 1999/07/02

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Subject: Re: [Leica] B&W film stock reply/correction
From: Christer Almqvist <chris@almqvist.net>
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 15:06:01 +0000

>Mitch-
>My friend Bob uses Delta3200 in Xtol and I'll be honest with you. From a man
>who has sworn by, and at, HP5 and Tri-X in Rodinal and D-76 for about 35
>years, I was impressed with the small grain figure and control of contrast
>that he was able to obtain!. The J109 document on Kodak's website has the
>time and temperature charts for Xtol and about any B&W film you'd care to
>try, and it's got times and temps for both small tanks, and rotary
>processors, and gives the contrast index for each combination!

Well, there is nothing about Delta 3200 in the J109, and, of course there
is nothing about Xtol in the table inside the Delta 32oo box. Instead, try

http://160.79.190.117/html/us_english/pdf/delta3200.pdf
(if it does not work, try ilford.com and walk throught the steps)

to get the Xtol+Delta 3200 development times, and use the times stated for
the next higher e.i (if you expose at 3200, then use the times for 6400).
Add about 60% to the times stated if you use 1+1 instead of stock Xtol

>Give the Xtol a try- I was truly impressed with the tonal quality, and the
>fine grain he obtained with that combination.
>Dan (slowly, slowly, becoming a believer!)
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <Zeissleica@aol.com>
>To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
>Sent: Thursday, July 01, 1999 9:00 PM
>Subject: [Leica] B&W film stock questions
>
>
>> Hi all...
>>
>> Now that I have my M3 kit back and fully operational, I've been shooting
>like
>> mad and having a ball in the process.  I'm trying to capture one legit
>shot
>> per day, but am finding it somewhat difficult, though it is getting me
>back
>> in the habit of looking at everything as a possible composition.
>>
>> Having not exposed any interesting film stock since I was in college (a
>> 1,000,000+ frames of dupe film and a couple hundred rolls of regular Kodak
>> Gold print film since then don't count), I am experimenting with any stock
>> that catches my fancy.
>>
>> That said, my family is getting in on the game now and are making desires
>> known; chief among them, my brother and his fiance want me to shoot B&W
>> available light, informal, candid, handheld photographs (no tripods) at
>their
>> wedding in November (they will have a professional shooting color for the
>> formal stuff).  They know the results will be "artsy", but that's what
>they
>> want.  I visited the church with them last week to take some meter
>readings
>> and test shots.
>>
>> So far, I have tried HP5 (at EI 400) and Delta 3200 (at EI 3200).  The HP5
>> looks real good but is too slow for this particular environment; the Delta
>> 3200 is scary fast but hideously grainy at 3200 (both were shot wide open
>> with my Noct).  Readings are perfect for EI 800 at 1.0/250 to 1.0/125.
>>
>> My question is thus:
>>
>> Is the Delta 3200 (EI 800) significantly better to justify trying it (I
>> haven't shot it at that speed yet)?  Or should I look into another film
>stock
>> altogether?  The EI 3200 exposures are just too contrasty and grainy for
>me
>> to use.
>>
>> BTW, according to the tests I've done so far...
>>
>> - Royal Gold 100 is okay
>> - Portra 160VC is better
>> - Velvia 50 (shot at EI 40) is awesome, stunning and superlative (WOW!)
>>
>> I'm planning on getting the best of the bunch up on the Web within the
>next
>> couple of weeks.
>>
>> /Mitch


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