[Leica] Commie Countries

["Kotsinadelis, Peter (Peter)" <peterk@lucent.com>]

Raimo,

Actually, I have been to several, and also some third world countries.  But
you have to understand CA is unique :-).  Visit CA and you'll like it, live
here and you'll want to leave it :-(.  

Peter K

- -----Original Message-----
From: Raimo Korhonen [mailto:raimo.korhonen@pp2.inet.fi]
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 1999 12:10 PM
To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
Subject: Re: [Leica] Luftwaffen Leica - Help with Identification


Looks like you never have been in a real Communist country. Consider
yourself lucky.
Raimo
photos at http://personal.inet.fi/private/raimo.korhonen
nyt myös Kameralehden juttuja suomeksi

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> From: Kotsinadelis, Peter (Peter) <peterk@lucent.com>
> To: 'leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us'
> Subject: RE: [Leica] Luftwaffen Leica - Help with Identification
> Date: 05. tammikuuta 1999 1:42
> 
> Anything weird or ultra-left wing always starts in California (I live
here
> so I can say that!)  California makes some commie countries look
democratic.
> It would only figure that they would put a damn anti photography law in
to
> effect.  Damn those tree huggers....
> 
> PK
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Walter S Delesandri [mailto:walt@jove.acs.unt.edu]
> Sent: Monday, January 04, 1999 4:08 PM
> To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> Subject: RE: [Leica] Luftwaffen Leica - Help with Identification
> 
> 
> Wow, and to think I didn't even start this one.....
> Relax, ya'll, we ALL have skeletons in our respective genetic 
> closets, and we've ALL been "victims"-- my paternal grandfather 
> was born _IN ROUTE_ while his family was escaping facist Italy...
> it's a good thing he didn't live to see us freely giving up the 
> freedoms so many died for in our "new facism" -- and to keep on 
> topic, what's the new law in California (!) about it being an 
> invasion of privacy to stand on PUBLIC soil and "invade" privacy 
> with a camera?>  anybody heard this?  the so-called "papparrazi"
> law?  Oh, well, as usual, such ideas originate in CA and spread 
> like leprosy over the country.........
> CU,
> Walt
> 
> On Mon, 4
> Jan 1999,
> Andre Jean Quintal wrote:
> 
> > At 09:55 -0500 04/01/99, B. D. Colen wrote:
> > [ . . . ]
> > Aren't there some "collectibles" that, given their provenance,
shouldn't
> be
> > collected other than in Museums. Or, are their certain items that we
> should
> > neither invest in nor profit from?
> > [ . . . ]
> > 	Mr Colen,
> > 	Just how deep do people like you have to furrow
> > 	in murky and equivocal self-justification
> > 	by so-called "genetic" association,
> > 	pretending an inner calling to the valiant and righteous
> > 	task of denegating others of the pleasures of their hobby
> > 	and wallowing in pointless and irrelevant
> > 	"genetic" victimization that have neither
> > 	the least thing to do with YOU, personally,
> > 	nor A-N-Y of the good people in this group ?
> > 
> > 	Perhaps are YOUR ATTITUDES,
> > 	given their provenance,
> > 	not even worth a square foot of Museum space !
> > 	Not to deny History, just to note you are pretending
> > 	to police other good willed people whose worldview
> > 	has grown to embrace so much more
> > 	than the truly painful life experience
> > 	of, perhaps, your forefathers and THEIRS !
> > 	Would you care to ponder the eventuality
> > 	of one historical dimension that recalls
> > 	the blood, sweat and tears, most likely,
> > 	of too many good people drawn in a maelstrom
> > 	few could eschew on a day to day basis
> > 	"back then", unless willing to risk getting slugged.
> > 
> > 	If you don't appreciate my reaction,
> > 	please note you were invading my privacy
> > 	and personal space with a private agenda
> > 	totally alien to the pursuits of our bona fide group:
> > 	photo excellence.
> > 
> > 	If you wish to so aggressively promote such discourse
> > 	in MY e-mail, please be warned you are trespassing.
> > 	I am a model of patience, a model of tolerance,
> > 	others say : please examine your ultimate purposes
> > 	when you regurgitate such venom.
> > 	You might be the one person who suffers most
> > 	from such and might destroy pathways to friendships
> > 	that could do much to heal the unspeakable pain
> > 	that is NOT yours, by any standard,
> > 	perhaps even healing your prejudice.
> > 
> > 	It is not impossible that the person enquiring
> > 	about the relative value of this vintage camera
> > 	be the son of a man who may have carried
> > 	your own father, or a "genetic" kind, to safety.
> > 
> > 	War is ugly, even today, with as many Iraqi children
> > 	dead in less than ten years of international boycott
> > 	than in the sorrowful nazi death camps, now about
> > 	one million and counting...
> > 	Have you heard of the goulag ?
> > 	Have you not heard of the killing fields ?
> > 	Have you the least notion of the actual numbers
> > 	of starving people on account of warlords, today ?
> > 	Have you the very least notion of the numbers
> > 	of children maimed by live antipersonel mines, TODAY ?
> > 	It's so obscene, the news don't talk about it !
> > 	People simply would not be able to deal with Reality
> > 	as it IS : our mutual loss.
> > 
> > 	So, we look fifty years back, so easy,
> > 	just for the comfort of it !
> > 
> > 	Stigma is a most painful experience, Sir.
> > 	My suggestion is you pursue such diatribe
> > 	with A-N-Y 'live' German person, today, this year,
> > 	and weigh for yourself just how far you then
> > 	would be willing to go in the way of finger pointing
> > 	and, not impossible, self-righteousness.
> > 
> > 	You owe yourself a minute of silence.
> > 
> > 	Respectfully,
> > 
> > 	Andre Jean Quintal
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> > 
> >    Before you judge me,
> >    try hard to love me,
> >    look within your heart then ask,
> >    have you seen my childhood.
> >               Michael Jackson
> > 
> >