Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 1999/01/05
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Looks like you never have been in a real Communist country. Consider yourself lucky. Raimo photos at http://personal.inet.fi/private/raimo.korhonen nyt myös Kameralehden juttuja suomeksi - ---------- > From: Kotsinadelis, Peter (Peter) <peterk@lucent.com> > To: 'leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us' > Subject: RE: [Leica] Luftwaffen Leica - Help with Identification > Date: 05. tammikuuta 1999 1:42 > > Anything weird or ultra-left wing always starts in California (I live here > so I can say that!) California makes some commie countries look democratic. > It would only figure that they would put a damn anti photography law in to > effect. Damn those tree huggers.... > > PK > > -----Original Message----- > From: Walter S Delesandri [mailto:walt@jove.acs.unt.edu] > Sent: Monday, January 04, 1999 4:08 PM > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us > Subject: RE: [Leica] Luftwaffen Leica - Help with Identification > > > Wow, and to think I didn't even start this one..... > Relax, ya'll, we ALL have skeletons in our respective genetic > closets, and we've ALL been "victims"-- my paternal grandfather > was born _IN ROUTE_ while his family was escaping facist Italy... > it's a good thing he didn't live to see us freely giving up the > freedoms so many died for in our "new facism" -- and to keep on > topic, what's the new law in California (!) about it being an > invasion of privacy to stand on PUBLIC soil and "invade" privacy > with a camera?> anybody heard this? the so-called "papparrazi" > law? Oh, well, as usual, such ideas originate in CA and spread > like leprosy over the country......... > CU, > Walt > > On Mon, 4 > Jan 1999, > Andre Jean Quintal wrote: > > > At 09:55 -0500 04/01/99, B. D. Colen wrote: > > [ . . . ] > > Aren't there some "collectibles" that, given their provenance, shouldn't > be > > collected other than in Museums. Or, are their certain items that we > should > > neither invest in nor profit from? > > [ . . . ] > > Mr Colen, > > Just how deep do people like you have to furrow > > in murky and equivocal self-justification > > by so-called "genetic" association, > > pretending an inner calling to the valiant and righteous > > task of denegating others of the pleasures of their hobby > > and wallowing in pointless and irrelevant > > "genetic" victimization that have neither > > the least thing to do with YOU, personally, > > nor A-N-Y of the good people in this group ? > > > > Perhaps are YOUR ATTITUDES, > > given their provenance, > > not even worth a square foot of Museum space ! > > Not to deny History, just to note you are pretending > > to police other good willed people whose worldview > > has grown to embrace so much more > > than the truly painful life experience > > of, perhaps, your forefathers and THEIRS ! > > Would you care to ponder the eventuality > > of one historical dimension that recalls > > the blood, sweat and tears, most likely, > > of too many good people drawn in a maelstrom > > few could eschew on a day to day basis > > "back then", unless willing to risk getting slugged. > > > > If you don't appreciate my reaction, > > please note you were invading my privacy > > and personal space with a private agenda > > totally alien to the pursuits of our bona fide group: > > photo excellence. > > > > If you wish to so aggressively promote such discourse > > in MY e-mail, please be warned you are trespassing. > > I am a model of patience, a model of tolerance, > > others say : please examine your ultimate purposes > > when you regurgitate such venom. > > You might be the one person who suffers most > > from such and might destroy pathways to friendships > > that could do much to heal the unspeakable pain > > that is NOT yours, by any standard, > > perhaps even healing your prejudice. > > > > It is not impossible that the person enquiring > > about the relative value of this vintage camera > > be the son of a man who may have carried > > your own father, or a "genetic" kind, to safety. > > > > War is ugly, even today, with as many Iraqi children > > dead in less than ten years of international boycott > > than in the sorrowful nazi death camps, now about > > one million and counting... > > Have you heard of the goulag ? > > Have you not heard of the killing fields ? > > Have you the least notion of the actual numbers > > of starving people on account of warlords, today ? > > Have you the very least notion of the numbers > > of children maimed by live antipersonel mines, TODAY ? > > It's so obscene, the news don't talk about it ! > > People simply would not be able to deal with Reality > > as it IS : our mutual loss. > > > > So, we look fifty years back, so easy, > > just for the comfort of it ! > > > > Stigma is a most painful experience, Sir. > > My suggestion is you pursue such diatribe > > with A-N-Y 'live' German person, today, this year, > > and weigh for yourself just how far you then > > would be willing to go in the way of finger pointing > > and, not impossible, self-righteousness. > > > > You owe yourself a minute of silence. > > > > Respectfully, > > > > Andre Jean Quintal > > > > > > > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > Before you judge me, > > try hard to love me, > > look within your heart then ask, > > have you seen my childhood. > > Michael Jackson > > > >