Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 1998/10/20
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]>I would like to ask advice of R users who have experience with the Leica >APO-extenders. I have used tele-extenders before with other brands of >cameras, with unsatisfactory results; degraded sharpness, very soft edges, a >general haze. > >Primary use would be in photographing shore birds and waterfowl, and the >primary lens "extended" would be the APO Telyt-R f4 280mm. A wonderful >lens, but often not enough for skittish wild birds. However, the 280 is a >wonderful lens, and I would rather wrestle around and find the lira for >something longer if the extenders are not going to deliver the quality I >have come to expect of this lens. > >So quality is first; I would buy the APO version of the extender. > >If the quality is there, the next issue is which one to buy, the 1.4X or the >2X? Is there a difference in image quality between the APO versions of >these two? Perhaps some of the LUGgers who have used both can help me with >the telephoto length increase versus loss of speed issue. With this >particular lens, the 1.4X would take me to an f5.6 400mm and the 2X an f8 >560mm...obviously, greater "pull" is appealing, but with f8 as the fastest >selection, I would be at the edge of difficult shutter speeds for such great >length, even with a sturdy tripod and MLU. This would be mounted on an R8, >so I've got the brightest SLR viewfinder going. > >There are old Telyt R's in very good condition around for about the price of >a new APO extender. Both the 400 and 560 are f6.3. This poses a quality >question--which version, extended or prime, will render the best image on >film? and Robert responded: >The APO Telyt-R f4 280mm is considered by Leica to be its finest R lens >period. Use of either extender would not degrade it enough for you to >notice. One word of advice though, I have been trying to do shore birds >myself, and even with a 2X on my 400, it is not close enough. You may wish >to save your money and spend it on a portable blind so that you can get >close enough to make frame filling shots. > >I have shot from my truck as a blind using a tripod on the passenger side, >but close birds are few and far between. The top two images herer were done >with the 400 2.8 APO and the old non-APO 2x plus the APO 1.4x for 1120mm F8 >using the truck blind method. >http://home.istar.ca/~robsteve/photography/birds.htm >I have come to the conclusion that I need to use a blind and set up and >wait using the 400 2.8 alone or with the 1.4x. I have seen results of up >close pictures taken with a blind and they are amazing. You may want to >try a blind first before spending on the converter. The 1.4x may be a >better choice to start with. Hey guys, Robert's "truck blind" idea is a good one, an idea I've used at times but the longest possible lens isn't always the right answer. Photographing birds is like any other branch of photography: know your subject. I've made good, frame-filling photographs of wild, unrestrained birds using 50mm and 90mm lenses (one was shown at the Palo Alto LUG slide night a few months back - anyone care to guess which one?) but the lens I use most is the 400, and the f/6.8 Telyt is a bird photographer's fantasy. There are several tricks to get closer to birds: ) reduce your profile. Tall two-leggeds are more threatening than for-leggeds or belly-crawlers. Lie down in the mud & let the tide push the birds toward you (wear disposable clothes!) ) hide yourself near the bird's favorite perch, using a blind (called a "hide" in the U.K.). Birds are creatures of habit, as humans are, and will use the same perch repeatedly. Find such a perch & set the blind up. You may need to wait a couple hours before the bird returns. ) act like a prey species, not a predator. Predators stare and sneak closer; prey species are constantly aware of their enviornment. IMHO the big lens stuck to a tripod looks like a gigantic eye staring at the bird. I prefer the hand-held Telyt, which I raise for the exposure, then quickly and quietly put back down at my side. Occasionally aim the lens at other stuff so the bird doesn't get the idea he/she's the target. ) find a favorite feeding spot & wait. A hatchery's outflow near my home is a favorite of the local herons. After 2 hours of hanging around, acting like a prey species, I become part of the background and the 280 is too long. ) Let the bird get used to you gradually. Walk to within 100 feet & just hang out for a while; after 10 minutes or so you can walk a bit closer without alarming the bird. Repeat as nessesary. Using this method I've photographed a hummingbird in my yard at 6 feet (2 meters). When I ran short of film I walked back to the house, reloaded, and walked right back to the hummingbird & resumed photography. I wouldn't do without the Leica hardware but the really important tool is the gray stuff inside the brain bucket. I hope these tricks help. Doug Herr Sacramento