Re: [Leica] Francesco & Danny / NOW BLACKMAIL

[Five Senses Productions <fls@5senses.com>]

Wow.....thanks for clearing my name and shoving this trash
back into the faces of the ignorant mudslingers on this group.

I won't hold my breath waiting for an apology from these clowns
either.....

Francesco




At 10:01 AM 6/19/98 , you wrote:
>
>It would appear that the already rapid spiral descent will simply 
>continue, with more and more unsubstantiated accusations 
>and more and more extreme measures advocated, unless 
>I explain the situation as I see it.  I know this is long, but
>I'd ask that people indulge me and read it to the end.
>
>Several days ago, Alf Breull posted the following:
>>Francesco, don't forget the internet possibilities. 
>>
>>Your sites are listed as porn even in pretty free countries (Sjonnie) and
>>linked between adult pages, which speak of "teen bitches" who etc.
>>(sexysites) - besides the copyright violations and a lot of other
>>information (4000+ hits) about you and your past and current correspondence.
>
>>
>>It's the context of which I'm speaking. 
>
>Since I was interested in the idea of a LUG web page, 
>I followed up on Alf's suggestion, fired up the usual internet
>search tools, and searched the internet for stuff on Francesco 
>and Five Senses.  Anyone who cares to can do the same 
>search themselves.
>
>In the interest of getting a balanced view, I also fired up 
>the usual tools, searching for Alf Breull.  Along 
>with the expected references to his web page, assorted 
>camera related things, and other miscellany, I found one 
>item that I found peculiar, especially when set against
>his (in my view) vitriolic denouncement of Francesco as 
>a pornographer. Using this one item, I found a 
>considerable quantity of stuff which seemed very 
>inconsistent with what Alf was saying publicly on this list.
>There was no subterfuge; I was simply performing the 
>same process with Alf as I had applied with Francesco.  
>Again, anyone who cares to do so can do exactly what 
>I did using the usual internet search tools.
>
>Now, it's possible that this one item was some sort of error.  
>In my view, the discussion on this list had already 
>degenerated past simple name calling, mud slinging, 
>and character assassination.  So,rather than making 
>the matter public, I forwarded it to Alf, via private mail, 
>along with a request for some sort of explanation from
>him.  Since my previous exchanges with Alf had generated 
>considerably more heat than light, and because I strongly 
>expected that the response from Alf would be either silence 
>or rudeness, I suggested that if he did not care to 
>discuss it privately with me, or if his response was rude, 
>I would take that  as tacit acceptance that the item  in 
>question was written by him, and would  simply forward 
>it to this mailing list and let it get sorted out in public.
>Since Alf has no compunctions about discussing
>the moral values of others in this forum, it would
>seem only fair to allow his to be discussed likewise.
>
>I am sure there are subscribers to the list who feel what 
>I've done was blackmail. I am uninterested in this point.  
>In my view, if someone wants to publicly attack the 
>morals of another, then it seems reasonable to apply 
>the same standards to them as they apply to the 
>person they attack.  The item I forwarded to Alf
>is completely public.  In any case, neither Francesco
>nor Danny was aware of, let alone involved in any of
>this.  I would say that those people who accused them
>unjustly should be busy typing up apologies, particularly
>those who accused them of mudslinging.
>
>It certainly was not my intent to force Alf from the list, 
>and I sincerely hope that he reconsiders his action.  
>It would appear that Alf and I disagree strongly
>on many things, but I think that he's a valuable 
>contributor to discussions of things Leica.
>
>In the interests of getting the mailing list back to
>productive discussion, I'd suggest that if people
>want to discuss this, they do so off list.  In any
>case I'll be unsubscribing (for reasons unrelated
>to this fracas), so if you want to discuss it with 
>me, you'll *have* to do it privately.
>