Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 1997/12/18
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]At 11:59 PM 12/17/97 -0500, you wrote: >At 12:06 AM 12/17/97 -0800, you wrote: > >Jim: > >So perhaps my practice is just making the most of DOF. Thanks. > >Chuck Westphal of Canon explained to me that longer lenses with flourite >and other rare earth glass are made to focus past infinity because the >glass can expand in very warm situations, shifting the focus points. I'm >not sure I buy it. > >Tom Tom, I personally am skeptical about a lens changing focus points based on temperature. Imagine this... you are in Alaska. It's very cold so you leave your camera and long rare earth lens in the car (or porch) so moisture doesn't condense on it and it'll be ready the next morning. Just before dawn, the next morning, you set-up your camera and lens in a tree blind to photograph Eagles in their nests. You have, perhaps, a long remote trigger cable, or radio trigger. You critically focus on the nest and then move away, part way down the tree. Dawn comes, the Eagle and perhaps chicks, start moving. You make a few exposures. The Eagle flies away. The sun appears and shines on your lens. The sun's radiation warms your lens. The Eagle comes back. You continue to expose frames. So as the lens warms, it changes focus. Now I don't know about you... but I would be plenty pissed if my $5,000 or $10,000 lens changed focus just because it changed temperature. Unless Erwin shows us that this temperature focus change really happens to the extent that the lens would have to focus past "infinity" to compensate for it, I DON'T BUY IT! Not for a minute! The lenses that I'm familiar with that focus past infinity aren't all rare glass lenses. They are all long telephotos though. So this is how I see it: Long lenses, of course, will focus on far away objects. With a WA lens, you can barely see these objects. Like the Moon. When you focus on something, you turn the lens focus ring until the object comes into focus and continue past perfect focus. You then reverse the direction and come back past perfect focus, only by a little. Then back to the forward direction slowly stopping on "perfect focus." This is a normal focusing pattern. Stopping on both sides of perfect focus, closing in on perfect focus. You may repeat this a few times to "just make sure." You use long lenses, quite often, to photograph far away objects. Think of photographing that far far away mountain peak. Or better yet, the full Moon on a very clear night, away from the city. With your 800mm lens. Or even your 350mm lens. It works exactly the same. Where is infinity with the 800mm or 350mm lens and the Moon? These kinds of lenses will focus past the Moon. Way past the moon. The moon is 239,000 miles away. But through the Leica R viewfinder, with your long lens, it looks quite large. With long lenses, you can focus on the Moon as if it were house, or a tree, something close. You focus past the moon, in front of the moon, then on the moon. But remember, it's 239,000 miles away. I personally believe that the reason long lenses focus past distant objects, is so you *can* focus on distant objects. In order to easily focus on very very distant objects, such as the moon, the lens will have to focus beyond what we perceive as infinity. If it didn't, critical focusing on these very distant objects would be mechanically impaired. The normal human focusing cycle is retained, with long lenses, by allowing the mechanics to take the focus beyond (well beyond) infinity. Another note. My 350mm Telyt focuses past very distant objects, such as the moon. Way way past infinity. Just look at the lens barrel focusing marks and you can see just how far the 350 Telyt goes past the infinity mark. A LONG WAY! I've used this lens in below zero weather (winter in the Colorado Rockys) and in very very warm places (summer in Death Valley CA). It focused past "infinity" whether freezing cold, or boiling hot. If the extra focus room was supposed to be taken up by "focus expansion" it didn't happen. And it won't ever happen. Remember, this is just my humble opinion, based on my fifty years of experience. But so far, it hasn't let me down. I'm always looking forward to learning something though. I apologize for being so long winded. I get that way when it's late. Jim