Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 1997/11/26

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Subject: Re: VB: About the R4
From: Gabe Sachs <egabe@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 08:20:18 -0800

Stefan:

I did exactly what you did.  I traded a bunch of stuff for an M6 w/35
Summicron lens.  Last weekend I picked up an R4s, winder and 50mm lens.  I
traded some Canon stuff for that.  I just shot my first few rolls and I
love it.

Good luck.  I'm out looking for more lenses now.

Take Care
Gabe





At 07:50 PM 11/25/97 +0100, you wrote:
>Thanks Chip,
>Yes, obviously the prices for second hand stuff is a little bit lower in
>U.S. and Germany than here in Sweden. 500.00 is regarded as a good price
>here, and normally you would have to pay more than that when you buy it
>in a store. Probably you can find R4's to a lower price through private
>sales, but the advantage of getting a 6 month warranty is a security to
>me, for which I am willing to pay a little bit extra. But I haven't
>bought it yet...
>
>I contacted the Leica agency here (actually in Denmark), and they warned
>me for Leica R4's below serial numbers of approx. 1580000, which they
>said were very problematic regarding the electronics. If one is
>uncertain which model one has (before or after that number), they said
>that the old model has two visible screws below the mirror. The newer
>model does not have these screws. The R4 that I have seen is therefore
>of the newer model.
>
>Once I had a Leicaflex SL with which I was very satisfied. I only had
>one lens, a 35/2,8 from the 60-s, but it was suberb. But I sold all my
>equipment two years ago to afford a new Leica M6, and I thought that
>this would be the only camera for me. But my idea now is to get some
>R-body and use it where it is difficult or impossible to use the M6. For
>instance macro-photography (60/2,8) and architectural photography with a
>PC-lens (35/4 or 28/2,8). I know that I can use a Visoflex on the
>M-body, but I am not really fond of the idea. By the way I have seen a
>lot of second hand ads of the Schneider 35/4 PC-lens, but not even one
>of the PC-Super-Angulon 28/2,8. Why is that?
>
>/Stefan
>
>>----------
>>Fr=E5n: 	ChipZHZ@aol.com[SMTP:ChipZHZ@aol.com]
>>Skickat: 	den 25 november 1997 16:53
>>Till: 	leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
>>Ang=E5ende: 	Re: About the R4
>>
>>Stefan,
>>I  think that 500.00 is still too much for a R4....I sold a mint  R4SP for
>>about that(although I wish I hadn't).  I'd look a bit more, also I have
heard
>>that some R4's below a certain serial number(?) are thought to be more
>>problematic than others, the one I had was a 167xxx and always did fine( I
>>also bought it "new" with a passport warranty and never worried, it had=
 been
>>in the box for 5 years), but I always prefered the SP as some controls=
 were
>>better(eg. bracketing).  I think the idea to find a R6 in the 900.00=
 range,
>>mint is a good one.
>>
>>Good luck,
>>
>>chip
>>
>
>