Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 1997/04/25

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Subject: Re: Help in Rotterdam, Holland
From: PhotoZone Gallery <fotozone@efn.org>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 10:31:24 -0700

At 02:07 PM 4/24/97 -0700, you wrote:
>
>Hello there,
>
>
>I might have a big problem in Rotterdam.
>Some time ago, I responded to an advertisement in Shutterbug placed by a
>company from Rotterdam called DE LOMAN EUROTRADING, broker in
>Machines/Taxateur and after some faxes traded I decided to order a lens
>(35/1.4 ASPH), a new M6 and a used  M6 from them. I just couldn't believe
>the prices! It came up to about $3700.  (I am ready to try a M6 after my
>M5 might be sold.)
>Anyway, they were not set up for credit card orders, and they would only
>take bank transfers.  They only required 50% payment for shipping and the
>other 50% 14 days after receiving the items. I was faxed an invoice on
>March 20th and made the 50% transfer (wire) on March 24. I was supposed to
>receive my items on April 3rd by Federal Express if the money was in
>their account by March 31.
>I have not received anything so far.
>I have tried to call them but nobody answers the main phone/fax (the fax
>is not hooked on, and I left some messages on the second phone, but nobody
>has returned the calls. I have contacted Shutterbug and they do not have
>any more information on this company, but they are trying to contact them 
>as well.
>I am affraid I am the victim of a scam.
>
>My questions are:
>
>Can you open an anonymous account with Postbank in your country? They have
>account number 7534113.  I am wondering if the bank has any record of the
>phisical person who opened the account.
>Also wondering if you can claim to be registered with the Rotterdam Trade
>Register (they seem to have No 270461), and if this is true, if you can
>file a complaint with this organization.
>Also they seem to have a BTW nr. VAT NL 124237684B01 which must be their
>tax identification number.  Can anybody get this kind of number?
>The sales person I dealt with was named Huib van den Linden (real name or
>not?).
>Their main address is
>
>Stokroosstraat 153
>3073 HW Rotterdam Holland.
>
>and their other address is
>
>Schuttevaerweg 82b
>3044BB Rotterdam.
>
>Their phone/fax is (31) 102732564
>        phone      (31) 654210010
>
>Can you confirm to me that this firm really exists and the addresses are
>real? Can I file a police report in your country if this turns out to be a
>scam?
>
>
>Thank you,
>
>
>Lucian Chis
>chis@ece.orst.edu
>25 SE86th Ave Portland OR 97216
>USA
>
>
I will send to your email address the addresses of the police dept. and Postbank
in Rotterdam.  One cannot open a bank account in Holland without proper
identification.

Herman Krieger