Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 1997/03/24

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Subject: Re: Leica Alternatives--Fogging -Reply
From: Greg Reddick <greg.reddick@tmhe.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 09:44:17 -0600

Where can one get these lenses cleaned for $30

>>> Steve <cameras@jetlink.net> 03/22/97 10:55pm >>>
Marc James Small wrote:
>  > At 05:27 PM 3/22/97 -0800, Stephen Gandy wrote:
> >If you think I am imagining the fogging problem,  call Don Chatterton.
> >He will likely  be as amused by your attitude as I am.   If you don't
> >know about it, it doesn't exist.
> >Right you are Ted.
> >
>  > I have discussed this with Chatterton who denies there is such a
problem.
> The conversation was in the fall of 1995.

  Pick up the phone Monday, as will I, and call Don.  Ask him why he
walks around with a small flashlight to examine optics at shows.   Don is
a friend of mine, and this problem is a common topic of conversation.  He
was the one who told me it was caused by the condensation of the
whale oil.

While you are at it, also ask Tac or John of MAC Camera, or Leslie Bell of
Fuji.  All are experienced buyers, and I find it hard to believe they will not
confirm that Leitz lens from the 50's and 60's having a serious fogging
problem--they deal with it every day and pay less for lenses with that
problem.

Perhaps I should clarify "fogging."  I am not talking about glass which is
fogged over and opaque.  And I am not talking about dust or fungus.  The
condition which necessitates cleaning, costing an average of $30 or
more per lens, is OFTEN NOT VISIBLE by simply holding the lens up to the
nearest light or window. 

To see it, you need a small powerful flashlight---sometimes even then the
problem can only be seen in one direction.  So shine the light  through
both ends of the lens to check it properly.   For lack of a better
description, ANY light fog or smoke like effect on any of the elements, is
what requires the cleaning and is commonly known in the camera
business as "Fog" or "Haze."

To get a better  idea of what I am talking about, take a brand new lens
and do the light test as described.  You will see nothing but clear glass. 
That clear glass effect is what you are looking for in ANY lens
regardless of how old,  because if its not crystal clear------you get
internal light reflections and loss of contrast.  

Nikon and Canon lenses from the 50's/60's are usually  clear.  The same
vintage lenses from Leitz usually need to plan a trip to the repair shop.

If ANY fog/smoke/haze (whatever you want to call it) is visible with that
light, it needs a cleaning.  

While I agree with you that LA air quality sucks, I have also found the
same problem with lenses I bought in the Midwest  and the East coast.  

Stephen Gandy