Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 1996/11/13
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Warning--very long post!--Charlie At 11:19 AM 11/13/96 -0500, you wrote: >As far as collector's editions of the M cameras go, I am left unfazed. As >the poster says if they can wrap an off the shelf camera in fancy leather >and sell it for a premium then, indeed, all power to them. > Where I disagree wholeheartedly, is with the cries for a new and >improved Leica M. I couldn't care less if others see my Leicas as >anachronisms or out of date. My Leicas vary in age between 10 and 40 years >and do what I need them to do. - ---- The point wasn't just that the M6 is seen by others (whose opinion we don't respect, since they are not Leica users :-)) as an anachronism. The point was that from a third-party perspective it is an anachronism--not because it cannot take wonderful photographs (it can, of course), but because there are many obvious changes that would be genuine improvements, and Leica refuses to make them, letting the camera soldier on, and leaving it open to legitimate complaints. Let me mention a few. The viewfinder needs more eye relief for those who wear glasses--most of us, I bet, since the hobbyists who use Leica are relatively old (mostly because of the huge investment required). It's a joke, in these days of high eyepoint SLR viewfinders, to have a 28 mm. frameline that cannot be seen by a significant percentage of the users, and a 35 mm. frameline that requires people to move their eyes around the finder to see the edges. The Contax G1 finder is none too good, but it doesn't have this problem. I am sure there are simple solutions to this problem while keeping the traditional frameline design (e.g., a magnification change in the finder with changing lens length), and there is no excuse for not solving it. Then there's the film loading system. I know, I know, Leica legend has it that they believed that the camera wouldn't be rigid enough with a rear loading system. But they finally compromised by adding the door to the back of the M's, and you don't hear stories of M's, let alone SLR's, deforming because of lack of rigidity. The film loading is slow, almost requires you to sit down, and causes lots of mistakes, even with practice. In addition, if you are using the camera on a tripod, you have to take it off to reload--even if you are in the middle of bracketing that great shot. Ever load a recent R camera? Not autoload, thank heavens, but a piece of cake! Another issue is metering. The M6 meter is very accurate. But remember this is supposed to be a quick-handling, quick-shooting camera. If you are shooting slide film in a difficult situation, the M6 meter covers too large an area for a quick and correct exposure readout--you have to waste time moving closer for a reading, etc. We are past the days when everyone used wide-latitude BW film. Also, I have done some theater work, for which the M is perfect because it's so quiet, and the meter's angle is too wide to meter someone standing in a spotlight surrounded by darkness. When every $300 plastic SLR has a spot meter along with averaging, why not the M6? (It's my understanding that this was discussed and rejected at the time of the M6's design). Now we come to the real bugaboo, autoexposure. I cannot see a reason why there couldn't be two M cameras, one, a manual descendent of the M6 with the problems above addressed, and another with aperture preferred automation. Why? It's simple to see, if you have ever used the elegant interface on the R4, 5, and 7 cameras. If you need to shoot quickly, know what you are doing, and want accurate exposures, you can put it in aperture preferred automation (controlling DOF), switch quickly between averaging and spot metering (perhaps making a quick spot reading off the gray rock in the sun that lets you follow the slide film rule "expose for the highlights"), hold down the shutter release button to lock the exposure, recompose, and make the picture. Does this take away control? Is it some kind of "idiot's delight?" Of course not--you have to know exactly as much as you do to make a proper exposure with an M6. But this is much quicker, and at least as accurate. I should add that aperture preferred automation would require no changes in the lenses, since you shoot at working aperture with a RF camera--see the Minolta CLE. - ---- > I do not, in any way, see the Contax G1/G2 type cameras as a >threat to the M series - ---- Well, you had better. I know several very large dealers, and there is a definite move toward the Contax--lots of Leica users have changed over, they tell me. Just for the record, I don't like the Contax at all--it's a point-and-shoot, noisy, slow to focus, has a long delay before the shutter fires, and so on--but the lenses are without a doubt in the Leica M's league, and it's attractive and luxurious. It is an excellent travel camera, hitting one of the M's big markets. In addition, the rumor mill has at least one other RF system coming on line, so Leica is not alone any more, and can no longer coast. - ---- >and am always left a tad flummoxed when people start >rattling off wish lists of improvements to be implemented on the "next" >version of the M body. If only a fraction of these improvements were added, we'd have a battery dependant shoebox with features that would leave a Nikon F5 electro-brick thirsty; at which point, IMHO, we would have run out of reasons for buying a Leica in the first place. Let's not forget that >Leica M cameras sell very well at their ludicrous prices, so they must be >doing something right. - ---- Let's not get carried away. The automatic camera I mentioned above could easily be built in a body much like the current M body. The manual one could too, of course. And, again just for the record, I am not in favor of autofocus--there's really no need, and its noise and shutter delay are not really compatible with the M's nature (though it would be a simple matter to build in a focus confirmation light, I think). As for batteries--well. Carry a spare! Sorry to say this, but in normal temperatures, electronic cameras are more accurate than manual ones--check the tests of shutter accuracy if you doubt me. Electronic cameras are also more reliable and consistent. The parallel with cars is quite exact; the arrival of the computer has made cars incredibly more reliable and has made their performance much more consistent in varying conditions. The only place manual cameras have an edge is in extreme cold, and even there external battery packs help the electronic ones a lot--there's a reason why so many pros use Canon EOS-1's and Nikon F4's. - ---- > I use them [Leica M's] because they are built like panzer tanks with some very fine optics and I know that they will work in any conditions that I accept to expose myself to. The same cannot be said for the "cutting edge" wonder bricks. - ---- It can all be said of the top of the line wonder bricks! For more on this, see Ross' "J'Accuse Leica." - ---- > The only "improvement that I would care to see implemented would be an increase in the flash sync speed. - ---- How about TTL flash? Anyway, to do what you want would require an all-new shutter, and an electronic one would work better to get the synch speed up to real-world standards (1/250 or so). - ---- >Other than that, leave it alone. >J.Redfern - ---- I eagerly await the M7 :-) !--Charlie Charles E. Love, Jr. CEL14@CORNELL.EDU