Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 1996/06/08

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To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
Subject: Re: Leica R 90mm: Elmarit or Summicron?
From: adl@sirius.com
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 08:10:33 -0800

>At 11:50 AM 6/7/96 -0800, you wrote:
>
>>the newest 90mm Elmarit-R lens is sharper than the 90mm Summicron, in fact
>>too sharp if used for portraits because it would be unflattering.  The 90mm
>>Summicron would be better for portraits if that's what you want it for.
>>Otherwise go with the latest 90mm Elmarit.
>
>This is a chance to talk about photography and not hardware. :-)
>
>If you want salon portraits that will win PPofA awards, then take this
>philosophy to heart. As far as I'm concerned, tack sharp portraits can be
>very nice, and a whole lot more interesting. When I photographed my old
>violin teacher (about 80 at the time) I purposely used side-light with my 90
>Summicron and Kodachrome 25. Why? Because his wrinkles are a part of his
>character. In 20 years as his student, I couldn't think of him in any other
>way, he's always been wrinkled!
>
>It's like the old saw that 50mm lenses are "boring." As far as I'm
>concerned, there are no boring lenses, only boring photographers. Rules can
>restrict photography rather than liberate you when they are repeated over
>and over and over like this portrait lenses shouldn't be sharp.
>
>Like who said a 90mm lens is a portrait lens anyway? I used my for
>basketball (the sport and bouncing off the floor too many times), macro work
>of tiny mushrooms, copy slides for my portfolio, landscapes, sunrises,
>aerial photography, pet of the month, football at night, etc. etc. etc.
>
>I don't mean this as a flame of the person who made the comment above, just
>pointing out there's a lot more to portraits than the "salon style." We do
>sometimes want to have a soft image in a romatic type portrait. But let's
>not choose our lenses thinking this way. And besides, if you think the 90
>Summicron is going to give you soft photos for that style of portraiture,
>that will only happen if you smear the filter with vaseline, or throw the
>focus out of whack. They are way too sharp for the fuzzy wuzzys.
>
>==========================
>Eric Welch
>Grants Pass Daily Courier


We all just got past this the FLAMING war between a few of the other Leica
users here on this user group. And yet some poeple still haven't learn a
thing about coummunication with others.   It seems that a few Leica users
here people take a self righteous attitude and bash people when all they
have to do is write comments in the neutral sense.

I truly believe that if those who want to write on this user group should
take a politically correct position and really think about what you intent
to say so as to not continue to FLAME people who offer an opinion.  Either
that OR TAKE 25 DEEP BREATHS AND RE-READ YOUR COMMENTS BEFORE YOU POST IT.
Maybe then your comments will lack the emotion and contain more substance.
You can still get your point across without causing another FLAME WAR!!!

A. Dean Lee



Replies: Reply from Gary J Toop <gtoop@uoguelph.ca> (Re: Leica R 90mm: Elmarit or Summicron?)